Re: [802SEC] request for feedback on the proposal to establish a SCC on Transportation
Pat
Here is a bit more to work with--
IEEE 802.15.4p: Standard for Low-Rate Wireless Personal Area
Networks (WPANs) Amendment 7: Rail Communications and Control (RCC)
System Physical Layer
This amendment to IEEE Std 802.15.4-2011 specifies a PHY for use in
equipment intended to address rail transportation industry needs and to
meet US positive train control (PTC) regulatory requirements and similar
regulatory requirements in other parts of the world. It meets the
challenges of establishing and maintaining reliable radio links between
high speed trains and fixed infrastructure.
IEEE 802.15.4-2011: Standard for Low-Rate Wireless Personal Area
Networks (WPANs)
The protocol and compatible interconnection for data communication
devices using low data-rate, low-power, and low-complexity short-range
radio frequency (RF) transmissions are defined for a variety of
situations and for operation using multiple global licensed and
unlicensed frequency bands. This is particularly useful in creating
energy friendly, low cost, interference tolerant wireless sensor and
control networks. These networks are finding increasing use in
transportation systems and vehicles of all types.
IEEE 802.15.7: Standard for Short-Range Wireless Optical
Communication Using Visible Light
A PHY and a MAC layer for short-range optical wireless communications
using visible light in optically transparent media are defined. The
standard is capable of delivering data rates sufficient to support audio
and video multimedia services and also considers mobility of the visible
link, compatibility with visible-light infrastructures, impairments due
to noise and interference from sources like ambient light. Among other
things, it is being explored for vehicle to vehicle and vehicle to fixed
infrastructure communication using the vehicles LED exterior
lighting
Regards
Bob
At 07:41 PM 6/4/2014 +0000, Pat Thaler wrote:
Of course! But I could use some
help in adding these items. For example: Is the DSRC work pre-PAR? If
not, looking at the list of active 802.11 PARs, I canâ??t identify which
one it is.
Jon, Ben, Bob and anyone else who wants to add to the list, please
provide text suitable to add to the ones Iâ??ve listed below.
For a completed standard that would be:
IEEE 802 Std 802.xxx <Title of standard> - <brief
explanation of how it applies to transportation>
For an active project
IEEE P802.xxx <Title of project> - <brief explanation of how it
applies to transportation>
For Pre-PAR activity, a brief description of the work being
considered.
Please expand any acronyms such as Dedicated Short-Range Communications
(DSRC).
Regards,
Pat
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We probably should also list 802.11p -- WAVE - Wireless Access in
Vehicular Environments (used by IEEE 1609)
and the DSRC work that is ongoing in 802.11....
Just a thought,
Jon
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Benjamin A. Rolfe
<ben@blindcreek.com>
wrote:
Hi Pat, Bob,
I have also seen interest in various flavors of 802.15.4 (other than 4p)
being used for the Vehicle to Grid applications.
-Ben
On 6/4/2014 4:25 AM, Bob Heile wrote:
- Pat
- ,
- 15.4p, rail communications and control is very much intended for
transportation and while not exclusively intended for transportation, the
rest of 15.4 is finding a lot of use in vehicle. On the horizon is
15.7 providing inter-vehicle and vehicle to fixed infrastructure
communication using visible light communications.
- Regards
- Bob
- At 11:19 PM 6/3/2014 +0000, Pat Thaler wrote:
- My input below ? I've listed the transportationn related IEEE 802
projects I'm aware of - please suggest others if I've left some out.
Pat
- There are already significant standards projects for transportation
underway. Some of these are for intra-vehicle networks (i.e. networks
between devices within a single vehicle ? aan area that is missing from
the expplicit list of interactions in the scope: â??human to vehicle,
vehicle toto vehicle, vehicle to infrastructure, vehicle to platform, and
vehicle to everything exchange of information and dataâ?? but that
didnâ??t claim to be an excluexclusive list.
- IEEE 802 technologies also have a role in vehicle to vehicle and
vehicle to other things communication.
- Any work on Transportation Networking should take the IEEE 802 work
into account and coordinate with IEEE 802. While societies can join the
SCC, it isnâ??t clear how the SCC will interact with a SpoSponsor
conducting transportation work.
- List of IEEE 802 projects that apply specifically to the needs for
networks in cars and other transportation:
- IEEE P802.3bp Standard for Ethernet Amendment Physical Layer
Specifications and Management Parameters for 1 Gb/s
- Operation over Fewer than Three Twisted Pair Copper Cable ? which is
developing a short ddistance single balancced pair 1000 Mb/s Ethernet
Physical layer (1000BASE-T1 PHY) for automotive use.
- IEEE P802.3bu Standard for Ethernet Amendment: Physical Layer and
Management Parameters for 1-Pair Power over Data Lines (PoDL) â?â?? to
provide power over single balancced pair links.
- There is also a PAR under consideration at the July meeting for a
single balanced pair 100 Mb/s Physical layer amendment.
- And projects that are intended to meet the timing needs of
automotive/transportation as well as industrial networks:
- IEEE P802.1 ASbt Timing and Synchronization: Enhancements and
Performance Improvements
- IEEE P802.1Qbu Frame Preemption
- IEEE P802.3br Standard for Ethernet: Amendment Interspersing Express
Traffic (the IEEE 802.3 support for IEEE 802.1Qbu)
- IEEE P802.1Qbv Enhancements for Scheduled Traffic
- IEEE P802.1CB Frame Replication and Elimination for Reliability
- IEEE P802.1Qcc Stream Reservation Protocol (SRP) Enhancements and
Performance Improvements
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- To:
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- Subject: [802SEC] request for feedback on the proposal to establish a SCC on Transportation
-
- All,
-
- I just received the below information from the CS SAB vice chair regarding the SCC on Transportation proposal. Also attached is the SCC request.
-
- When we discussed this on the call today, some had some specific concerns (e.g., how will the SCC impact ongoing stds activities within the scope of the SCC?, etc.) Those who expressed opinions please either reiterate the opinions on the EC reflector or send them to me directly, so that I can express them to the CS folks.
-
- Regards,
-
- --Paul
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- Subject: SCC on Transportation Proposal
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- The following have expressed support for the SCC:
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- IEEE Aerospace and Electronic Systems Society
- IEEE Antennas and Propagation Society
- IEEE Communications Society
- IEEE Electromagnetic Compatibility Society
- IEEE Engineering in Medicine and Biology Society
- IEEE Industrial Electronics Society
- IEEE Industry Applications Society
- IEEE Instrumentation and Measurement Society
- IEEE Intelligent Transportation Systems Society
- IEEE Oceanic Engineering Society
- IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society
- IEEE Society on Social Implications of Technology
- IEEE Technical Committee on RFID
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