Re: [802SEC] +++ 10-day EC Email Ballot +++ EC motion on 802.11 response to FCC docket 15-47
On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 7:37 AM,
Stephens, Adrian P
- Dear 802 EC,
- Whereas IEEE 802.11 has approved (In the WG: Y:47 N:0 A:2) the
following motion: â??To approve document 11-15/683r2 as our comments in
FCC 15-47, and forward to the IEEE 802 EC, for approval and transmittal
to the FCC.â??
- Move that EC approves transmission of document 11-15/683r2
to the FCC as a letter in response to FCC docket 15-47, granting the LMSC
Chair editorial license.
- Moved: Stephens
- Seconded: Rosdahl
- Start of ballot: 2015-06-04
- Close of ballot: 2015-06-14, 23:59 UTC-12
- Early close: As required in subclause 4.1.2 'Voting rules' of the
IEEE 802 LAN/MAN Standards Committee (LMSC) Operations Manual, this is
notice that, to ensure the release is provided in a timely manner, this
ballot may close early once sufficient responses are received to clearly
decide a matter.Â Â Â Â Â Â
- Sufficient responses to clearly decide this matter will be based on
the required majority for a motion under subclause 7.1.1 'Actions
requiring approval by a majority vote' item (h), 'Other motions brought
to the floor by members (when deemed in order by the Sponsor Chair)' of
the IEEE 802 LAN/MAN Standards Committee (LMSC) Policies and
- Background information and rationale on specific form of motion
- 1.Â Â Â Â Â Â The motion made at the EC telecon on 2015-06-02
was modified from the motion made in 802.11,Â by the addition of a
sentence intended to clarify possible future intentions.Â The
sentence was suggested by the 802.11 REG SC chair,Â based on
discussion he had with various parties after approval of the WG
motion.Â Time ran out on the telecon.
- 2.Â Â Â Â Â Â There was an email thread on the EC
reflector,Â abstracted as below?
- a.Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Apurva: â??It would be better if IEEE 802
provides constructive suggestions to the FCCâ??
- b.Â Â Â Â Â Roger: â??I propose to add the following at the end
of the introductory "COMMENTS OF IEEE 802" paragraph? Â Â
Â "Other standards developed under IEEE 802 may be more
suitable for adaptation and use under CBRS rules."â??
- c.Â Â Â Â Â Â Ben: â??I do not think Roger's addition addresses
Apurva's concern, which is that the message lacks a positive suggestion.
? I would advocate rewording so it is clear the concerns from 802 are not
uniquely 802.11 WG's concerns.â??
- I have given some thought to the role of the EC in communications
from a WG concerning that WG to an external body.Â Â The LMSC rules
require that such communications pass through EC for motion at 2/3
approval.Â Â The LMSC rules do not limit what the EC can do with
- But, I believe we should limit what the EC attempts to do with such a
document.Â IMHO,Â it should limit its actions to editorial
corrections and clarifications.Â Â If it fails to approve a
document,Â then comments on its substantive comment could be sent
back to the WG,Â so that the WG can adjust the document,Â and
send it back for approval.Â Recent experience with the DSRC report
confirms to me that this is the way we should handle such
- I believe that attempting to modify the substantive (i.e.,
non-editorial) content in the EC perilously moves its role away from
keeper of the process into technical judge and jury.
- Given these beliefs and the history recited above, I have moved the
original motion as approved by 802.11.Â If the motion is
defeated,Â I will collect comments to be sent to 802.11 for
consideration in a subsequent attempt to communicate with the
- Also,Â I would like to see the Chairâ??s Guidelines provide
clarification to bound and streamline this process in future.Â But
that is another debate.
- On the specific changes requested,Â I think both the changes
proposed are essentially harmless.Â But I think both are out of
scope (i.e., not relevant) in a response originated by the 802.11 WG
specific to WLAN,Â which is the scope of this
- Notwithstanding the above discussion,Â I did modify the motion
from that presented to the WG, to add the â??, granting the LMSC Chair
editorial licenseâ??.Â Â I believe this should always be
present,Â because I wouldnâ??t want to insist the LMSC Chair sent
an uncorrected liaison where he,Â e.g.,Â spots a speeling
misteak at the last moment.
- Best Regards,
- Adrian P STEPHENS
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