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RE:
It seems that a Study Group could develop two PARs.
However, I believe that our rules were not developed with that in mind. If/when we have that as a case then the motion should specifically address that issue.
In the case under question, I do not believe it is the case that the ECSG was chartered to develop more than one PAR, even though the subject area may well warrant more than one project. Therefore, I don't believe that the majority of those voting on the motion were thinking in terms of this particular SG having more than one PAR under its development during its life as an ECSG. A major part of the ECSG task was to determine which WG (new or existing) would be home to its work. I don't believe that there was ever an intention to "place" a project in an existing WG yet continue as an ECSG. Although that would be possible, it is unprecedented in 802 and would, in my opinion, require explicit arrangement ahead of time.
On the other hand, it is quite the usual to have a contingent (explicit or implicit) motion to continue the SG (EC or WG) should a NESCOM bound PAR not be approved. In fact, this is so much the usual that we have become sloppy with the wording of such motions to the extent we leave out the appropriate contingency clause in the wording. I believe that is the case here.
Once the PAR is approved as an 802.1 Project the activity is to move in its entirety into 802.1 and the ECSG ceases to exist.
BTW, it is my belief that once the EC decided to assign the project to 802.1, the life of the ECSG should have been terminated (as of the end of that EC meeting) and 802.1 would take over.
There may some ambiguity in the P&P but I believe that it was more that the wording of the motion was less wonderful than it should have been.
Best regards,
Geoff
James,
It seems that a Study Group
could develop two PARs. If it's to be disbanded upon approval of "the
PAR", one could ask "Which PAR: the first or the second?" It's not
unreasonable to presume the second one.
More generally, 5.4 says
"after the Study Group recommendations have been accepted by the parent
body, the Study Group will be disbanded no later than the end of the
next plenary session." So if the Study Group has recommendations (other
than the first or only PAR) that are still awaiting acceptance by the
parent body, then this says it's not supposed to be disbanded between
plenaries.
So I still think there is at least a little ambiguity
in the P&P. IMHO.
Roger
James P. K.
Gilb wrote:(Sorry about that, I responded to Roger only the first
time).
Roger
It does say that earlier in the same subclause. Note that it is
only
specific about its charter and does not say that it cannot be dissolved
earlier. For example, the EC could vote to dissolve it prior to the
next plenary session. Or, in this case, the rules state that it is
dissolved upon approval of the PAR.
However, a motion from the EC can't override the rules in the
P&P, which
state it dissolves with approval of the PAR.
The EC is supposed to assign the PAR to a group, hence upon approval
of
the PAR, that group has the responsibility for that topic.
I don't see any ambiguity.
IMHO.
James Gilb
On 10/27/2015 01:54 PM, Roger Marks wrote:
James,
That's a strong point. On the other hand, 5.4 says:
"A Study Group shall report its recommendations, shall have a
limited
lifetime, and is chartered plenary session-to-plenary session."
and EC Motion #40 (2015-07-17) says:
"To approve the extension of the IEEE 802 EC Privacy Recommendation
Study Group until the end of the November 2015 meeting."
so I think there is at least a little ambiguity.
Roger
James P. K. Gilb wrote:
All
I had an action item:
1) Gilb to determine when an 802 ECSG is disbanded per the 802
policies and procedures.
Based on the approved IEEE 802 LMSC Policies and Procedures:
1) The Privacy ECSG was disbanded upon approval of the PAR by the
IEEE-SA standards board.
2) With the disbanding of the ECSG, Juan Carlos is no longer a
member
of the EC.
Rationale:
In our approved P&P, Clause 5.4, page 14, first paragraph: Two
types
of Study Groups, Working Group Study Groups (WGSGs) and Executive
Committee Study Groups (ECSGs) are listed. Hence, when the term
"Study Group" is used the text without a modifier, it means either
type of group.
In Clause 5.4, final paragraph, it says "After the Study Group
recommendations have been accepted by the parent body, the Study
Group
will be disbanded no later than the end of the next plenary session.
A
Study Group is disbanded upon approval of the PAR by the IEEE-SA
Standards Board."
IMHO.
James Gilb
On 10/26/2015 01:09 PM, John D'Ambrosia wrote:
All,
The minutes from the Oct 06 EC Teleconference have been posted.
Please see
http://ieee802.org/minutes/Conference-calls/2015-10-06-call-minutes-v0.pdf.
My thanks to Mr. Gilb for filling in for me during a computer
moment.
Regards,
John D'Ambrosia
Recording Secretary, IEEE 802 LMSC
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