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Bob,
Everything you say
makes sense. Unfortunately that is not what is quoted in
Jonathan's slides. My point is that "know what I mean" is fine
when you and I are having a discussion. I think the language in
the referenced policy documents should accurately reflect what
you said, which they do not now unless we make *assumptions* as
to what was meant.
Ben
On 10/30/2017 12:13 PM, ROBERT GROW
wrote:
Ben:
This has come up before. Inviting someone is
considered different than “asking” someone. As with many items,
the individual disclosing has to make the determination if there
if the asking has any elements of coercion or enticement by
financial or similar reward. If you ask me to ask someone else
(e.g., a client of mine), I have to determine if it is simply an
invite or a request that makes my client obligated in some way.
If you ask me to ask my client to attend if they want any
chance of getting business from you, then my client might be
more inclined to declare both of us as affiliations. Obviously
the example can be backed off into the grey area where the
invitee has to determine if their participation is truly as an
independent expert (or if an entity project a representative of
their employer) or not.
I have been in this situation where there was
little ambiguity. I was contracted for a task by entity 1, who
was clearly asking me to do things for entity 2. I notified
my client entity 1 what I would have to do, if I took on the
requested task, and I declared both entity 1 and entity 2 as
we’ll as my self-employed consulting company DBA (doing
business as) as affiliations. Specifically, Bob Grow,
employed by RMG Consulting, affiliated with RMG Consulting,
entity 1 and entity 2.
—Bob
And what
is your opinion on the clause that states "any
individual or entity that has or will have, either
directly or indirectly, requested....".
If I ask Bob to Ask you to
attend an 802.15 WNG presentation next week, will you
declare both of us as affiliations?
B
On
10/28/2017 9:08 AM, Paul Nikolich wrote:
Dear EC Members,
I asked Jonathan Goldberg to prepare a
document that can be used as a 'best practices
guide' on the declaration of affiliation
requirements for 802 participants ( https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/dcn/17/ec-17-0171-00-00EC-ieee-declaration-of-affiliation.pdf)
and to briefly introduce the topic at the opening EC
meeting. I want to ensure the policy is well
understood and applied consistently across all our
groups. To that end, Jonathan and Kathryn will make
themselves to present the full slide deck for
discussion and answer questions during your group
plenary meetings. Please share the slide deck and
allocate time to review during the November plenary
session with your groups.
Regards,
--Paul
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