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Re: [802SEC] Responses to comments from WGs 802.1, 802.3, and 802.11 on P802.15.6 Revision PAR and CSD



Jon;

There was no need for R1, the change you suggested was totally editorial and very quick to enter when submitting the PAR withdraw.  The WG approved the response: "We refer to the 802.15 WG Chair to address the PAR withdrawal comments and changes on the myProject website.”  I did exactly that today when I submitted the PAR.  As my last act of 802.15 chair I will uprev the PAR document on Mentor showing the this trivial editorial change.  I will then up rev the motion to the EC.

Jon; your attitude on this point is why I quit the WG chair position and don’t want anything to do with it anymore.

Sincerely,  Pat

Pat Kinney
Kinney Consulting LLC
IEEE 802.15 WG chair, IEEE 802.15.12 chair
ISA100 co-chair, ISA100.20 chair
M: +1.847.997.3775
O: +1.847.960.3715
pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com




On 17, Mar2022, at 9:17, Jon Rosdahl <jrosdahl@ieee.org> wrote:

Hi Pat,
802.15.6a - Amendment: Dependable Human and Vehicle Body Area Networks, PAR Withdrawal and CSD
This was on the list of PARs to consider.
Note that the link
indicates that the file is 802.15-22/0067r0.

The 802.15 Closing plenary passed a motion to approve
"PAR Withdraw contained in document [15-22-0067-00],"
Which is the same original document that 802.11 provided comments on.

The 802.15 response file indicated:
RESPONSE: We refer to the 802.15 WG Chair to address the PAR withdrawal comments and changes on the myProject website.

I am asking where is the R1 of the Withdraw PAR?

The changes we suggested:
PAR Withdrawal Additional Information:
“P802.15.6a was for an amendment to IEEE Std 802..15.6-2012. Since this standard will expire at the end of 2022 without a revision, the 802.15 WG wishes to continue the project as a revision.
Change to : “P802.15.6a is an amendment to IEEE Std 802.15.6-2012, which will expire at the end of 2022 without a revision. The 802.15 WG wishes to continue the new project features as part of the new revision project.”

We can discuss further when 802.15.6a Withdraw PAR comes up on the 802 EC agenda.
This gives you notice of a concern that you can be prepared for.
Regards,
Jon
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On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 8:04 AM Pat Kinney <pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com> wrote:
Jon;

I don’t understand your issue with the 802.15.6a withdraw PAR; the text that was provided to 802.15 was put into the PAR as per the submission details:
PAR Withdrawal Additional Information: P802.15.6a is an amendment to IEEE Std 802.15.6-2012, which will expire at the end of 2022 without a revision. The 802.15 WG wishes to continue the new project features as part of the new revision project.



Sincerely,  Pat

Pat Kinney
Kinney Consulting LLC
IEEE 802.15 WG chair, IEEE 802.15.12 chair
ISA100 co-chair, ISA100.20 chair
M: +1.847.997.3775
O: +1.847.960.3715
pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com




On 17, Mar2022, at 8:56, Jon Rosdahl <jrosdahl@IEEE.ORG> wrote:

This is the Final Report summary from the 802.11 PAR SC prepared 17 March 2022:

After Reviewing 9 PARs/CSD that were available for the 2022 March 802 Electronic Plenary, 802.11 made comments on 5 of the PARs/CSDs.

The feedback on our Comments was generally positive and our changes were acceptable and implemented by the respective WG.

The exception is on the 802.15.6a Withdrawal PAR which the 802.15 comment resolution group noted that our suggested changes be referred to the 802.15 WG Chair.  During the 802.15 Closing Plenary, the WG passes a motion to approve the r0 of the PAR Withdrawal, but that further edits are authorized due to NesCom or 802 EC discussions. 

I will ask the 802 EC to consider slide 27 of 802.11-22/0268r3 for possible changes.

Respectfully submitted
Jon Rosdahl
802.11 PAR Review SC Chair


Report file can be found here:
https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/22/11-22-0268-03-0PAR-par-review-sc-meeting-agenda-and-comment-slides-march-2022-electronic-plenary.pptx
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Jon Rosdahl                             Engineer, Senior Staff
IEEE 802 Executive Secretary   Qualcomm Technologies, Inc.
office: 801-492-4023                  10871 North 5750 West
cell:   801-376-6435                   Highland, UT 84003

A Job is only necessary to eat!

A Family is necessary to be happy!!


On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 7:02 AM Jon Rosdahl <jrosdahl@ieee.org> wrote:

PAR Withdrawal Additional Information:

  “P802.15.6a was for an amendment to IEEE Std 802..15.6-2012. Since this standard will expire at the end of 2022 without a revision, the 802.15 WG wishes to continue the project as a revision.

Change to : “P802.15.6a is an amendment to IEEE Std 802.15.6-2012, which will expire at the end of 2022 without a revision. The 802.15 WG wishes to continue the new project features as part of the new revision project.”



RESPONSE: We refer to the 802.15 WG Chair to address the PAR withdrawal comments and changes on the myProject website.



So do you have an update to the PAR?

Jon

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Jon Rosdahl                             Engineer, Senior Staff
IEEE 802 Executive Secretary   Qualcomm Technologies, Inc.
office: 801-492-4023                  10871 North 5750 West
cell:   801-376-6435                   Highland, UT 84003

A Job is only necessary to eat!

A Family is necessary to be happy!!


On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 6:58 AM Pat Kinney <pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com> wrote:
I just submitted it with the text you provided.

Sincerely,  Pat

Pat Kinney
Kinney Consulting LLC
IEEE 802.15 WG chair, IEEE 802.15.12 chair
ISA100 co-chair, ISA100.20 chair
M: +1.847.997.3775
O: +1.847.960.3715
pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com




On 17, Mar2022, at 7:56, Jon Rosdahl <jrosdahl@ieee.org> wrote:

Pat, I am not seeing a link to the revised PAR Withdrawal.
Did you revise it per the feedback you received?
Jon
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Jon Rosdahl                             Engineer, Senior Staff
IEEE 802 Executive Secretary   Qualcomm Technologies, Inc.
office: 801-492-4023                  10871 North 5750 West
cell:   801-376-6435                   Highland, UT 84003

A Job is only necessary to eat!

A Family is necessary to be happy!!


On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 6:21 PM Pat Kinney <pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com> wrote:
The 802.15 WG received comments on the P802.15.6 Revision PAR and CSD from 802.1, 802.3, and 802.11.  The P802.15.6 TG has drafted responses to these comments and modified the PAR and CSD accordingly.  These responses are contained in document https://mentor.ieee.org/802.15/dcn/22/15-22-0167-03-006a-responses-to-802-1-802-3-802-11-comments-to-the-par-and-csd-revision.pptx.  


I ask that the WGs that commented on the PAR and CSD kindly review the 802.15 responses to their comments.

Sincerely,  Pat

Pat Kinney
Kinney Consulting LLC
IEEE 802.15 WG chair, IEEE 802.15.12 chair
ISA100 co-chair, ISA100.20 chair
M: +1.847.997.3775
O: +1.847.960.3715
pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com





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