All –
This has been quiet for a long time, but my anecdotal impression differs. In 802.3, I know plenty of people who attend without really pursuing voting rights. I suspect this is something that varies across the WGs, but in .3, people often
attend task forces to provide contributions, input, and influence debate - as well as vote (under the in-person rules), all without going to the extra effort necessary to get WG voting rights. However, I recognize these are all anecdotal.
I propose that before we do anything, let’s do an analysis of attendees vs. attendees with voting rights.
If the WG chairs could each send me their voting lists in excel, or even text or word, it would be easier than trying to extract them from the posted PDFs, I could compare them to the past 2 meetings of registration and get an idea of the
actual impact. It would be nice if I can get this in the next 7 days so that I may be able to prepare something for Sunday night’s discussion in Bangkok.
-george
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I support Dorothy's recommendation -- based on our experience, there will likely be no material impact to 802 finances by granting an unlimited number of discounts to a particular
student, as long as they are a student. Furthermore, I believe it will result in a better chance for a student to convert into a full-fee participant after they graduate.
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Thank you also to those who have provided comments.
Looking forward to further discussion. As indicated, the proposal does NOT include any change to
the restriction on obtaining voting rights. I believe that this attribute alone provides mitigation against serious
attempts to use this category to avoid paying full attendance fees.
Dorothy
I will add it to the discussion Sunday night.
Sorry Geoff, that will be 4:30 am PST.
James Gilb
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>Dear James and EC members,
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>I request that the following topic be added to the 802 Rules Committee meeting agenda for the upcoming 2022 November Plenary: Removal of Student registration restriction.
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>Please see the discussion below; let me know of any comments or questions.
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>Thanks,
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>Dorothy
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>Removal of Student registration restriction
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>Currently, student registration is supported for one time attendance only. See 4.2 in
https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/dcn/17/ec-17-0120-33-0PNP-ieee-802-lmsc-chairs-guidelines.pdf <https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/dcn/17/ec-17-0120-33-0PNP-ieee-802-lmsc-chairs-guidelines.pdf
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>I propose modification of the current rules as shown below:
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>3) The student discount is based upon:
>d) Student attendance will not count toward voting rights.
>e) Each student can only receive this discount for one meeting. Attendance at future meetings
>will require payment of the full fee or LMSC waiver.
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> f) Students will not be included in the Membership Data Base for future meeting
>announcements. Since students are expected to change status rapidly, we don't want to try to
>keep track of their address.
>g) Students might join a Working Group Chair's reflector, at the discretion of the Working
>Group Chair.
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>Background/rationale:
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>- Have had a handful of students attending WG11 during the low-fee ($50) electronic-only period. One student contributed submissions.
>- Would like to enable students to continue to attend; support student engagement and interest in 802 projects.
>- Having a large number of students that is problematic to manage/ large financial impact has not been the case in past experience.
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