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Re: [802SEC] Updated supporting document (ec-23/0156r1) // Re: Preamble update for 802 LMSC response to administrations

Roger,

Thank you!

I've uploaded revision 2 with your edits to facilitate the review:
https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/dcn/23/ec-23-0156-02-00EC-discussion-on-the-updated-preamble-text-to-administrations.pdf

Regards,
Edward

On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 1:46 PM Roger Marks <r.b.marks@ieee.org> wrote:
Edward,

I fully support Joe’s proposal.

In addition, I have some others, as attached.

Cheers,

Roger
On Sep 1, 2023, 11:11 AM -0600, Edward Au <edward.ks.au@gmail.com>, wrote:
Dear Paul and colleagues,

The supporting document for this agenda item is updated and posted:
https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/dcn/23/ec-23-0156-01-00EC-discussion-on-the-updated-preamble-text-to-administrations.pdf

There is a proposed text change from Joe Levy (thanks) to replace "data standards" with "networking standards".  For the exact proposed text change, please refer to the PDF.

Regards,
Edward


On Wed, Aug 9, 2023 at 4:26 PM Edward Au <edward.ks.au@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Paul and colleagues,

The following is Yvette's suggested edits:

IEEE 802 LMSC is a leading consensus-based industry standards developing committee for developer of data standards that are adopted by industry globally. It operates under as a committee of the IEEE Standards Association and the IEEE, a major world-wide accredited standards developing organization, producing standards for wireless networking devices, including wireless local area networks (“WLANs”), wireless specialty networks (“WSNs”), wireless metropolitan area networks (“Wireless MANs”), and wireless regional area networks (“WRANs”). We The IEEE 802 LMSC also produces standards for wired Ethernet networks, and technologies produced by implementers of our standards that are critical for all networked applications today.

I understand we may have different opinions.  I can bring this proposed text change to the next EC teleconference on 5 September for a discussion, prior to making any change to the existing preamble.

Regards,
Edward

On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 2:56 PM <thompson@ieee.org> wrote:
Folks-

I used the term wireless "data" standards quite intentionally
That is because the spectrum regulatory agencies that this text is directed towards generally regulate spectrum for a much wider set of uses that those for which we write standards. For example end-user and backbone trunking telephony, consumer in-home security and control devices, public safety systems, toll collection systems, etc, etc. The list is endless. 

I thought what I used was scope descriptive without getting into listing things. That was my intent.

If we wanted to say "packet data" or "packetized data" it would be within my intent. My opinion is that even that is too detailed for a preamble.

Geoff


On Monday, August 7, 2023, 10:59:50 AM PDT, Roger Marks <r.b.marks@ieee.org> wrote:


Ben,

Yes, I agree about the typical audience, but I’d prefer that the opening sentence, introducing 802, should be more comprehensive. I thought that it would be pretty clear that that “networking” includes wireless networking, especially since the next sentence cites:

wireless networking devices, including wireless local area networks (“WLANs”), wireless specialty networks (“WSNs”), wireless metropolitan area networks (“Wireless MANs”), and wireless regional area networks (“WRANs”)

Cheers,

Roger
On Aug 7, 2023, 11:46 AM -0600, Benjamin Rolfe <ben@blindcreek.com>, wrote:
The "wireless" is relevant because the topic of all 802.18 submissions will be spectrum policy.  The fact that IEEE 802 is a leader in developing standards for wireless is quite important in establishing the context of a submission.   That 802 does (many) other things than wireless is interesting, but not relevant to spectrum policy at the present time.

Geoff's wording has the dual charm it is concise and technically correct.

FWIW
Ben

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Thank you, Roger, for your inputs.

Regards,
Edward

On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 7:08 PM Roger Marks <r.b.marks@ieee.org> wrote:
I would prefer to change the first see we sentence to:
IEEE 802 LMSC is a leading consensus-based developer of networking standards.
My main point of emphasis is to delete “wireless”, so that the sentence will be valid generally and not limited to the specific context of the statement. Otherwise, we would leave the reader with a misunderstanding of what we do. 

Cheers,

Roger
On Aug 4, 2023 at 12:31 PM -0600, thompson@ieee.org, wrote:

IEEE 802 LMSC is a leading consensus-based industry standards developer of wireless data standards.

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