True.
We can handle it the "easy" way by suspending rules again if a similar situation arises. Which I personally think is not a good way. I think that instead we should anticipate the possibility of another global shutdown and do what we can with our rules to respond. Yet another reason I think the current rules are better.
The world is not the same place it was prior to March 2020. Nostalgia is great, but not the way to move forward. IMO we need to evolve are rules with the reality there will always be some (useful) attendees who must be remote. That's my opinion - which will get you a cup of coffee this week at certain times in the break area if you're attending the plenary in person 😉.
Cheers
Ben
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We do need to somehow address one potential corner case...
Due to COVID, 7 consecutive plenaries (and a corresponding number of interims) were virtual only. If that happens again under this proposal, we'll all lose our voting rights, and nobody will be able to gain voting rights during that time.
We can have a blanket waiver for losing the voting rights, but the gaining of voting rights is a bit more complicated.
On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 7:42 AM Benjamin Rolfe <ben@blindcreek.com<mailto:ben@blindcreek.com>> wrote:
A question arose this morning regarding the proposed change. I think I know the answer but would appreciate verification/denial.
Someone attends this week virtually. Still counts because the current rules say it's credited attendance.
They attend the May wireless interim (or any other credited interim) in person. Thus they are eligible to become a WG voter at the start of the July plenary. Do they need to attend July in person?
From my reading we have not added "in person" requirement for July in this scenario.
Additional comment: in the summary slides someone put something suggesting attending 1.5 meetings per year in person was what is required. While I thought that was clear Sunday, quite a few people became confused, thinking this was saying attending 50% of a meeting had value. We should take that off the slide. THe part that says 2 one year and 1 the next is sufficient and not wrong.
FWIW
Ben
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