Date: Wed, 19 Jun 96 14:25:05 EDT From: "R. V. Slager (3-4017 / tl:441-4017)" To: p8021@hepnrc.hep.net Subject: PROPOSED minutes Please check it out. (I have yet to correlate my (internal) numbering with 802.1 document numbers ...) Comments SOLICITED! (please) I have requests out for additional soft copies, ... Rosemary ------------------ 802.1 interim meeting, 6/96, Wakefeild, Mass. Rosemary V. Slager June 18, 1996 The minutes from this interim meeting are going to be in three main sections: 1) Opening Business 2) A list of the presentations with references to copies of the presentations (all electronic copies available on the ftp server.) 3) Closing business, including a text of all resolutions. 4) Other Business, handouts (misc.) **** PART 1, 802.1 BUSINESS ********************************************* 802.1 Business: (6/4/96, 9am) -Meeting Details - Anil Rijsinghani -Minutes - Slager (The minutes from the LaJolla meeting are on the ftp server, these are to be approved at the Twente meeting, please review.) -Documents - Keen -Votes and voting - Keen -Emailer - Lidinsky p8021@hepnrc.hep.net (not nic.hep.net nor hepnet.hep.net) Issues? -Twente - Lidinsky Who? poll ----->about 40 -Pre-meeting motion: made by Tony Jeffree, second Chambers no objections, one abstention, therefore, we will have a pre-meeting 9am 7/8/96, in Twente -FTP Server - Lidinsky moving soon, (all but Hal can deal with pdf files...) -802 Executive Committee Don Loughry resigning - Elected VP of IEEE stds Board John Montague resigning - new work assignment Soliciting nominations for 802 Chair After chair is chosen, all non-working-group members of Exec. will be elected -To be sent out to 802.1 mailer Duties of non-working group members Procedures -802.1 Secretary Hal Keen will no longer be able to attend 802 meetings If interested, see Hal or me -802.1Q and 802.1p objectives and agenda- (Mick) ---------------------------------------------------- Seamans: 802.1 6/96 Interim vLANs (802.1Q) Meeting Objectives: 1. Define the basic/a working structure and organization for 802.1Q... Instruct editor(s) for those areas of the document we know well. 2. ... 3. 4. ------------------- Resulting vLAN Agenda: Presentations: 1. IP Integrated services over Ethernet style networks - Don Hoffman -IETF/ISSLL coordination - Don Hoffman, Raj Yanatkar 2. ReSynch on vLAN frame format - Anil 3. Dancing Bears2 - Steve Horowitz 4. Editing Mechanics - Tony Jeffree 5. End station tagging 6. Priorities for Multimedia 7. 802.1 Class of service alternatives - Norm Finn 8. Applying 8021p 9. Embedding priority in addresses 10. vLAN configuration - Cabletron 11. vLAN Mgt & MIBs 12. vLAN Distn.vLAN ARP 13. vLAN link state topology 14. vLAN implicit tagging **** PART 2, Presentations ********************************************* (all times are estimates /guess-timates) -time- -documentID- Tuesday, 96/06/04:-------------------------------------------------- 10:30am IEEEtalk.ps ISSLL, IP integrated services over Ethernet-style netwrks, Don Hoffman (Sun): SBM.ps (Refered to in above presentation) 11:50am --- Recap of ... where we are wrt 802.1Q, see 960605i 1-3.txt, Anil R, 2:30pm DancingBears2, on server, in q-drafts directory, Steve Horowitz 3:45pm 960604e.txt 802 standard process: Tony Jeffree Wednesday, 96/06/05:-------------------------------------------------- 8:00am Using-1p.txt Applying 802.1p: Norman Finn (Cisco) " .pdf " .ps 9:10am COSalts.pdf 802.1 Class of Service Alternatives: Norm Finn " .ps 10:20am kzm-prio.ps Embedding Priorities in Addresses is Problematic: Keith McCloghrie 10:45am (see author) Priorities for Multimedia traffic: Gideon Prat 11:15am 960605e.txt End-station Tagging: John Wakerly (Fore) 2:15pm (paper) vLAN ARP: Eric Gray (Cabletron) 2:45pm (paper) vLAN management & config'n: Ted Len (Cabletron) 3:15pm (paper) vLAN Link State Topology: Laura Kane (Cabletron) 3:45pm 960605i1.txt recap/resolution tagging: John Wakerly (Fore), 2 alternatives 960605i2.txt recap/resolution tagging: Anil (DEC), 2 Alternatives -properties 960605i3.txt recap/resolution tagging: from John Wakerly, Steve Haddock's topology Thursday, 96/06/06:-------------------------------------------------- 8am-12pm resolutions, etc. 960606c.txt Resolution: Move priority for unicast from 802.1p to 802.1Q 960606d.txt Resolution: Add priority to vLAN tag? intent to discuss 960606e.txt Resolution of intent to decide on 2 interpretations 960606f.txt Resolution: IETF ISSLL 960606g.txt Jeffree resolution: editing on 802.1Q **** PART 3, Resolutions ********************************************* 802.1 Resolves that: 96/6/6 At the 6/96 interim meeting of 802.1 contributions on the removal of the capability to register priority for individual (unicast) addresses using 802.1p were discussed and seemed to receive widespread support. 802.1 requests comments from its members as ballot comments on 802.1p/D3. Further, 802.1 believes that resolution of ballot comment at the 7/96 Twente meeting is likely to lead to removal of the capability in favor of priority signalling in the 802.1Q vLAN tag. 802.1 invites further comment and contributions on this issue prior* to the twente meeting. *Distribution to the 802.1 email exploder by 6/28/96 Moved: Keen Second: Hart Y: 29 N: 0 A: 1 ----------------------------- 802.1 resolves that: At the 6/96 interim meeting of 802.1 contributions on the inclusion of a priority field within the vLAN tag and perhaps as 3 bits of the vLAN ID, were discussed. 802.1 wishes to notify all its members of its intent to discuss the structure of the vLAN ID at the 7/96 meeting in Twente, addressing this and other vLAN ID structure issues which have been raised. It is anticipated that a resolution on this urgent issue will be considered in Twente with the objective of establishing a firm basis for further work on 802.1Q. Further it is anticipated that a ballot of a draft of 802.1Q to be produced after the Twente meeting will allow consideration of detailed resolution and text on this issue. 802.1 requests further comment & contribution on this subject prior* to the Twente meeting. *Distribution to the 802.1 Email exploder by 6/28/96. Moved: Wakerly 2nd: Hausman Yes: 31 No: 0 Abstain: 1 ----------------------------- 802.1 Resolves that: At the 6/96 interim meeting of 802.1 it was discovered that there were 2 possible interpretations of the proposed 802.1Q vLAN tag for 802.5/FDDI selected at the 3/96 La Jolla meeting. 802.1 has prepared a description of the alternate interpretations and an initial list of pro's and con's (to be Emailed to 802.1 by 6/14/96) and is treating the selection of a single, thoroughly documented approach as urgent. This issue will be considered at the 7/96 meeting in twente with the intent of reaching preliminary resolution at that meeting, inclusion of the chosen method in a draft of 802.1Q, and confirmation through a working group ballot commencing soon after the twente meeting. 802.1 requests comment & Contribution on the 2 alternatives (or other as yet unidentified interpretations) prior* to the twente meeting. 802.1 requests comment & contribution on the 2 alternatives (or other as yet unidentified interpretations) prior* to the twente meeting. Contributions received will be discussed at the meeting even if the author(s) are unable to attend. *by 6/28 y: 29 n: 0 abstain: 1 ----------------------------- 802.1 Resolves that: At the 6/96 interim meeting of 802.1 members of the IETF presented on the subject of ISSLL (Integrated Services over specific lower layers). 802.1 solicits further contributions on the relationship between 802.1/802.x priority mechanisms and the quality of service requirements of the IETF ISSLL. moved: Jeffree 2nd: Chambers y:30 n:0 abstain: 0 ----------------------------- 802.1 instructs the editing team for P802.1Q (see attached) to develop the following areas of the document (Details attached), using input from documents & presentations discussed during meetings of 802.1 to date, plus any contributions received by the team. This material will be made available to Tony Jeffree by 28th June, 1996, to allow him to collate the material and develop P802.1Q/D1 for input to the discussions in the Twente meeting in July '96. Moved: Jeffree 2nd: Chambers For:30 Against:0 Abstain:0 ------------------------ P802.1Q Editing Proposed work areas: -develop Aims & benefits in section 1 (Anil) -Develop Architecture section to include more explanation of what we think vANs look like (implicit/explicit tagging, line types ... (etc.) (Paul) -section 2 -Priority handling (Richard) section 4 -Frame Formats & translators (Anil) section 5 -Grammars (Tony) - section 6 -Spanning Tree (Michele) - Section x Editing Team: Tony Jeffree Anil Rijsinghani Richard Hausman Michele Wright Paul Langille PJ Sing **** PART 4, Other Business (Misc.) *********************************** "hardcopies:" Draft Standard for Virtual Bridged Local Area Networks, P802.1Q/D0 letter from ascom Timeplex to IEEE standards dept. - patent 5,394,402 issue letter from Bay Networks IEEE standards dept. - patent issue have .ps (960605c) Embedding Priorities in Addresses is Problematic: Keith McCloghrie have txt (960605e) End-station Tagging: John Wakerly (Fore) (960605f) vLAN ARP: Eric Gray (Cabletron) (960605g) vLAN management & configuration: Ted Len (Cabletron) (960605h) vLAN Link State Topology: Laura Kane (Cabletron) Nothing: !! (Have no record) (960605d) Priorities for Multimedia traffic: Gideon Prat - HAVE NOTHING !!