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Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBA] regarding the 802.11ba usage models (17/0029)

Hello,

 

I have the following comments on 17/0029r4:

 

- in Usage Model 1: Smart Home, I suspect the power required to move

the curtains twice a day will vastly exceed that required to run

a STA in legacy PS mode for a day (using a suitable listen interval

and BSS max idle period etc.).  So I don't think this particular part

of the usage model is convincing.  Even the door seems a bit borderline

to me (some kind of energy budget should be done to show that the

energy needed to operate the lock a couple of times a day is

significantly less than that needed to run a STA in legacy PS mode)

 

- in Usage Model 3: Outdoor Cattle Farms, I don't think it will make a

difference whether the emergency cow rustling signal takes 1 ms or 1 s

to get transmitted.  So I don't think "Delay should be a critical factor

in case of emergency report" is convincing.  I'm similarly unconvinced

by the Quick message/Incoming call notification/sensor alarm aspects

of Usage Model 1: Smart Home

 

Thanks,

 

Mark

 

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From: *** 802.11 TGba - WUR- Wake-up Radio Operation *** [mailto:STDS-802-11-TGBA@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Woojin Ahn
Sent: 20 January 2017 14:13
To: STDS-802-11-TGBA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBA] regarding the 802.11ba usage models

 

Hello, Ross and all.
This is Woojin from WILUS.

I also wish to be a part of this group and have some discussions for the development of the document.

Please count me in.

Regards,
Woojin

 

On Tue, Jan 17, 2017, 7:06 PM Minho Cheong <minho.cheong@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

That’s a good suggestion.

Thanks a lot.

 

Minho

 

From: Yujian (Ross) [mailto:ross.yujian@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 5:58 PM
To: Minho Cheong <minho.cheong@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; STDS-802-11-TGBA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: 答复: regarding the 802.11ba usage models

 

Hi Minho and all,

 

I discussed offline with some people who are interested in the usage model and think it is better to find a more efficient way to finalize the usage model document.

 

For those who are interested and want to be involved in the usage model document, have some further comments or want to propose some new usage models, you can send me an Email. We can form a usage model group to discuss this. The baseline document is

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/17/11-17-0029-01-00ba-wur-usage-model-document.pptx

 

My intention is to try to solve the comments raised during my presentation and through Email before the last session Thursday. And run the motion to approve the initial usage model document draft.

 

Regards

 

Ross

发件人: Yujian (Ross)
发送时间: 2017年1月17日 14:59
收件人: 'Minho Cheong'
抄送: STDS-802-11-TGBA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
主题: 答复: regarding the 802.11ba usage models

 

Hi Minho,

 

Thanks for the comments. You can see I also borrow some applications/traffic (video, game etc.) from previous usage model and put them in smart home usage model. I always welcome to add new usage models. You can bring some new usage models depending on your thoughts, and I can further include it in the usage model document after a discussion in the TG.

 

Thanks

 

Ross

 

发件人: Minho Cheong [mailto:minho.cheong@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
发送时间: 2017年1月17日 14:22
收件人: Yujian (Ross)
抄送: STDS-802-11-TGBA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
主题: regarding the 802.11ba usage models

 

Hi Ross,

 

Thanks a lot for your initial inputs to 802.11ba usage model.

All your suggested usage models look great, but restricted into the new models with a specific focus only on IoT-dedicated applications.

I think WUR would be big beneficial not only for IoT-dedicated applications but also for advanced power-saving experience in the existing normal Wi-Fi usage models (e.g., service to men, to devices both).

So, how about adding to the usage model document some of the existing usage models which are originally defined in the previous specifications (11n/11ac/11ax, etc.) with a proper modification in terms of power saving enhancement?

 

Best Regards,

 

Minho

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