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Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] 答复: Requesting agenda time for CR discussion



John/all,

 

1)

While I’m okay with a reference to body (sub)clauses from within clause 3, I think having a definition which cannot be understood without reading the body subclause is not appropriate.  Thus, I’m not happy with the new definition for BSS transition:

basic service set (BSS) transition: Change of association by a station (STA) [10512] or non-AP MLD while remaining within  the same extended service set (ESS) as defined in 4.5.3.2 (Mobility types).

as it seems the only way to know what sort of “change” to the association constitutes a BSS transition, is to read 4.5.3.2.  (There are lots of ways to “change” an association; we’re trying to narrow this to be the movement from one BSS/MLD to another, as the change that is relevant here.)

 

May I suggest instead:

basic service set (BSS) transition: Change Movement of an association by a station (STA) [10512] or non-AP MLD from one BSS or AP MLD to another BSS or AP MLD in the same extended service set (ESS).  See 4.5.3.2 (Mobility types).

 

I think this wording is consistent with the ways BSS-transition is described in 4.5.3.2, and is self-sufficient.

 

2)

I’m also uncomfortable with the changes to the definition of fast BSS transition, as now it says the security association (etc.) must be transitioned _before_ the reassociation, while I think it is somewhat before, and somewhat during, the reassociation.  We actually debated the current definition a fair bit in REVm<x> trying to prevent this.  (But I applaud your use of “BSS transition” so that we don’t have to repeat all that stuff, like the current definition does.)

 

May I suggest instead:

fast basic service set (BSS) transition: A BSS transition that minimizes the amount of time that the data connectivity is lost between the STA and the distribution system (DS).

 

3)

I hesitate to go here, but reviewing these made me see what I had missed in earlier reviews of 11be draft: that the definition of MLD says the entity has to provide the MAC SAP to the LLC sublayer.  Note that on an AP, there is no LLC sublayer (in the controlled port side, anyway, so for all non-EAPOL data frames) – see 5.1.5.3 of 802.11-2020.  The same is true for an AP MLD.

 

May I suggest we just remove “to the logical link control (LLC) sublayer” from the end of this definition?

 

 

Thanks.

Mark

 

From: Wullert, John R II (PERATON LABS) <jwullert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2022 1:04 PM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] 答复: Requesting agenda time for CR discussion

 

Alfred,

   Would you please add document 802.11-22-1255r1 to the queue.  This addresses 19 CIDs dealing with the definitions in Clauses 3.1 and 3.2. 

 

   This document has been reviewed by several of the commenters.  If others have comments/suggestions, please provide via the reflector.

 

Thanks,

John

 

From: Vishnu Ratnam <vishnu.r@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2022 1:36 PM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] 答复: Requesting agenda time for CR discussion

 

Hi Alfred,

 

Could you kindly help move the following document from the TGBe MAC technical submission queue to the TGbe MAC CR queue? The r1 version is now a PDT instead of a PPT.

18-Aug-2022 ET

2022

1202

1

TGbe

Reducing the size of ML traffic indication element

Vishnu Ratnam (Samsung)

18-Aug-2022 11:52:23 ET

Download

 

It resolves 1 CID.

 

Regards,

Vishnu

 

From: Abhishek Patil <appatil@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2022 12:28 PM
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Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] 答复: Requesting agenda time for CR discussion

 

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Hi Alfred, Liwen, Jeongki,

 

Could you please help add the following doc to the TGbe MAC agenda?

 

11-22/1354: LB266: Resolution for CID 10611

 

It resolves 2 CIDs.

 

Regards,
Abhi

 

From: Morteza Mehrnoush <000012bde833b015-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2022 4:53 PM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] 答复: Requesting agenda time for CR discussion

 

Hi Alfred,

 

Can you please add the following CR doc to the MAC queue? 

 

16-Aug-2022 ET

2022

1357

0

TGbe

CR for some NSTR mobile AP related CIDs

Morteza Mehrnoush (Meta)

17-Aug-2022 19:47:28 ET

Download 

 

Thanks,

Morteza


From: Eunsung Park <esung.park@xxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 7:02 PM
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Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBE]
答复: Requesting agenda time for CR discussion

 

Hi Alfred, Sigurd and Tianyu, Please add the following CR document to the PHY queue. - 11-22/1358r0 LB266 CR for CID 11343 and 12145, Eunsung Park, LG Electronics (2C) ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍

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Hi Alfred, Sigurd and Tianyu,

 

Please add the following CR document to the PHY queue.

11-22/1358r0 LB266 CR for CID 11343 and 12145, Eunsung Park, LG Electronics (2C)

 

Best regards,

Eunsung

 

 

From: Eunsung Park [mailto:esung.park@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 7:14 AM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBE]
: Requesting agenda time for CR discussion

 

Hi Alfred, Sigurd and Tianyu,

 

Please add the following CR documents to the PHY queue.

11-22/1288r0 LB266 CR for CID 11341, Eunsung Park, LG Electronics (1C)

11-22/1289r0 LB266 CR for 36.3.2.6 RU and MRU restrictions for 20 MHz operation, Eunsung Park, LG Electronics (2C)

 

Best regards,

Eunsung

 

 

From: Eunsung Park [mailto:esung.park@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2022 10:06 AM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBE]
: Requesting agenda time for CR discussion

 

Hi Alfred, Sigurd and Tianyu,

 

Please add the following CR documents to the PHY queue.

11-22/1226r0 LB266 CR for Equations in 36.3.12.9 EHT-STF, Eunsung Park, LG Electronics (2C)

11-22/1227r0 LB266 CR for 36.3.2.3 Null Subcarriers, Eunsung Park, LG Electronics (1C)

 

Best regards,

Eunsung

 

From: Alice Jialing Li Chen [mailto:jialing.li.phd2@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2022 10:12 AM
To:
STDS-802-11-TGBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBE]
: Requesting agenda time for CR discussion

 

Hi Alfred,

 

Could you please add the following CR document to the PHY queue?

12-Jul-2022 ET

2022

1100

0

TGbe

D2.0 Comment Resolution on U-SIG Part 3

Alice Chen (Qualcomm)

29-Jul-2022 21:10:53 ET

Download

 

Thanks,

Alice

 

 

On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 6:53 PM 李雅璞(Yapu) <00001b0ec2563bd4-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Alfred,

 

Could you add the following document into the PHY queue? (2 CIDs)

 

28-Jul-2022 ET

2022

1215

0

TGbe

LB266-CR-on-CID 10754-10757

Yapu Li (OPPO)

28-Jul-2022 21:43:48 ET

Download

 

Thanks

Yapu (OPPO)

 

件人: Yujian (Ross Yu) <00001792b51ef4ea-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
时间: 2022728 8:33
收件人: STDS-802-11-TGBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] : Requesting agenda time for CR discussion

 

Hi Alfred,

 

Another document for the PHY queue, it contains 12 CIDs:

26-Jul-2022 ET

2022

1197

0

TGbe

LB266 CR in 36.3.12.8.5

Ross Jian Yu (Huawei)

27-Jul-2022 20:26:39 ET

Download

 

 

regards

于健 Ross Jian Yu

Huawei Technologies

 

发件人: Yujian (Ross Yu)
发送时间: 2022726 18:38
收件人: 'STDS-802-11-TGBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx' <STDS-802-11-TGBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Alfred Asterjadhi <asterjadhi@xxxxxxxxx>
主题: 答复: Requesting agenda time for CR discussion

 

Hi Alfred,

 

Please add the following document into the PHY queue. Thanks. It contains 22 CIDs.

13-Jul-2022 ET

2022

1130

0

TGbe

LB266 CR in 36.3.12.8.3

Ross Jian Yu (Huawei)

26-Jul-2022 06:33:17 ET

Download

 

Also I have changed 1086 to r1 to reflects the changes based on D2.1.

 

regards

于健 Ross Jian Yu

Huawei Technologies

 

发件人: Yujian (Ross Yu)
发送时间: 2022715 11:28
收件人: STDS-802-11-TGBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
主题: 答复: Requesting agenda time for CR discussion

 

Hi Alfred,

 

Please add the following document into the PHY queue. Thanks.

 

12-Jul-2022 ET

2022

1086

0

TGbe

LB266 CR in 36.3.12.8.2

Ross Jian Yu (Huawei)

13-Jul-2022 22:04:37 ET

Download

 

 

regards

Ross Jian Yu 于健

Huawei Technologies

 

发件人: Lin Yang [mailto:linyang@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
发送时间: 2022715 0:59
收件人: STDS-802-11-TGBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
主题: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] Requesting agenda time for CR discussion

 

Hi Alfred, Tianyu and Sigurd,

 

Can you please add the following CR contribution to the PHY queue? Thanks.

 

11-22-1148-00-00be-LB266-CR-on-CID12154 (1 CID)    

 

BR,

Lin Yang (Qualcomm)

 

 

From: huangguogang <000017b1384624cd-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 7:04 AM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] 答复: Requesting agenda time for CR discussion

 

Hi Alfred,

 

Could you please put 22/1043r1 (1 CID) into the agenda?

 

 

Regards,

Guogang Huang

发件人: Liyunbo [mailto:00001846a2e5e0c1-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
发送时间: 2022714 21:52
收件人: STDS-802-11-TGBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
主题: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] 答复: Requesting agenda time for CR discussion

 

Hi Alfred,

 

Would you please allocate time for a SP of below two CIDs in last Joint call?

 

CIDs 13718 and 14096 in doc 22/1048r1.

 

Regards,

Yunbo

 

发件人: Abhishek Patil [mailto:appatil@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
发送时间: 2022714 12:30
收件人: STDS-802-11-TGBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
主题: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] Requesting agenda time for CR discussion

 

Hi Alfred,


Could you please help queue doc 11-22/1125 (10 CIDs) to the TGbe MAC agenda?

Regards,

Abhi

 

From: Cariou, Laurent <laurent.cariou@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2022 8:20 PM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Hi Alfred,

Can you please queue back document 22/1026r4 for SP?

Thanks,

Laurent

 

From: Huang, Po-kai <po-kai.huang@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2022 11:53 PM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] Requesting agenda time for CR discussion

 

 

Hi Alfred,

 

                  Please add one more document from my side.

 

11-22-1032 CR-for-35.3.3 (22 CIDs)

 

Best,

Po-Kai

 

From: Huang, Po-kai
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2022 11:20 PM
To: Rojan Chitrakar <rojan.chitrakar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; STDS-802-11-TGBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Requesting agenda time for CR discussion

 

Hi Alfred,

 

                  Please add one more document from my side.

 

 

11-22-1025  CR-for-OM-part-1 (9 CIDs)

 

Best,

Po-Kai

 

From: Rojan Chitrakar <rojan.chitrakar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2022 10:51 PM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] Requesting agenda time for CR discussion

 

Hi Alfred,

 

Kind help to add the following to the MAC CR queue:

 

22/1012r0, CRs for 11be D2.0 Probe Request ML element CIDs, Rojan Chitrakar (Panasonic) - 13 CIDs

 

Regards,

Rojan

 

From: Abhishek Patil <appatil@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2022 1:50 AM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] Requesting agenda time for CR discussion

 

Hi Alfred,

 

Could you please help queue the following documents for discussion?

 

11-22/1004 - LB266: CR for PS operation with MLO - 19 CIDs

11-22/1005 - LB266: CR for BA operation with MLO - 14 CIDs

11-22/1008 - LB266: CR for MISC CIDs in clause 9.4.2 - 10 CIDs

11-22/1003 - LB266: CR for ML IE rules - TBD CIDs (in progress)

11-22/1006 - LB266: CR for Frame Exchanges for MLO discovery and setup - TBD CIDs (in progress)

11-22/1007 - LB266: CR for MBSSID operation with MLO - TBD CIDs (in progress)

 

Regards,

Abhi


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