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Thanks for the discussion. Yes, I’m ok with moving the sentence to a note, with the modifications Ali suggested. Regards, -Chris From: stds-802-11-tgbf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <stds-802-11-tgbf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
On Behalf Of Ali Raissinia Correct the way it’s written is not informative. However we can change it to NOTE: If the number of available sensing transmitters exceeds the available uplink resources, multiple sequential trigger frames can be transmitted within the acquired TXOP. Ali From: Benjamin Rolfe <outlook_2CB8745B51AA14EB@xxxxxxxxxxx>
On Behalf Of Benjamin Rolfe WARNING:
This email originated from outside of Qualcomm. Please be wary of any links or attachments, and do not enable macros. FWIW...the statement in red contains "may" which makes it normative, not information. So it would be incorrect to be in a note. As is, it is stating a permissible behavior, allowing
multiple trigger frames to be sent during a TXOP. Ben From: Ali Raissinia <alirezar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Hi Chris, I believe that is an ‘obvious’ statement, however I would be okay adding it as a NOTE since it is informative. Ali From: Chris Beg <chris.beg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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This email originated from outside of Qualcomm. Please be wary of any links or attachments, and do not enable macros. Hi Ali, Yes, I do agree that both SU and MU operations may be exploited in any order. What are your thoughts on adding the more generic statement shown in red below? Thanks and regards, -Chris From:
stds-802-11-tgbf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<stds-802-11-tgbf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
On Behalf Of Ali Raissinia Hi Chris, In my opinion as long as AP is able to transmit multiple sensing Trigger Sounding frames during the ‘TF sounding phase’, it can exploit it to be for SU and/or MU UL operation
in any order (SU, SU…. SU, MU… MU,MU….. MU,SU… ,etc.). MU cascading is undefined and perhaps not necessary. What do you think? Regards, Ali From: Chris Beg <chris.beg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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This email originated from outside of Qualcomm. Please be wary of any links or attachments, and do not enable macros. Hi Cheng, Thanks for putting all this material together.
I do have one suggested addition to the second paragraph in section 11.1.4.2.3 (TF Sounding Phase), that I would like to propose to everybody. My suggestion is to highlight the potential usage of a MU cascading sequence, in the event there are more available STAs than UL resources. What is everyone’s thoughts on adding the following red text into the paragraph below? The AP shall transmit a Sensing Sounding Trigger frame to one ore more STAs that are sensing transmitters and that have responded in the polling phase of the TB sensing measurement instance to
solict Responder-to-Initiator (R2I) NDP transmission(s). The Sensing Sounding Trigger frame shall allocate uplink resources for one or more STA’s R2I NDP transmission covering the full bandwidth.
If the number of available sensing transmitters exceeds the available uplink resources, a MU cascading sequence may be used within the acquired TXOP. Any STA addressed by a User Info field in a Sensing Sounding Trigger frame
shall transmit NDP SIFS after receiving the Sensing Sounding Trigger frame.
Thanks and regards, -Chris From:
stds-802-11-tgbf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<stds-802-11-tgbf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
On Behalf Of Chen, Cheng Hello all, Revisions for the PDT text documents for Topic 8, 9, and 11 were uploaded based on the feedback/comments received both at the TGbf calls and from offline emails. Let me know
if you have any questions or comments. https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/22/11-22-0173-03-00bf-pdt-tb-sensing-measurement-instance.docx Best, Cheng From: Chen, Cheng
Hello all, The baseline PDT documents for Topic 8, 9, and 11 were already uploaded, which can be found through: https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/22/11-22-0173-01-00bf-pdt-tb-sensing-measurement-instance.docx Best, Cheng To unsubscribe from the STDS-802-11-TGBF list, click the following link:
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From: Ali Raissinia <alirezar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Hi Chris, I believe that is an ‘obvious’ statement, however I would be okay adding it as a NOTE since it is informative. Ali From: Chris Beg <chris.beg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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This email originated from outside of Qualcomm. Please be wary of any links or attachments, and do not enable macros. Hi Ali, Yes, I do agree that both SU and MU operations may be exploited in any order. What are your thoughts on adding the more generic statement shown in red below? The AP shall transmit a Sensing Sounding Trigger frame to one or more STAs that are sensing transmitters and that have responded in the polling phase of the TB sensing measurement
instance to solict Responder-to-Initiator (R2I) NDP transmission(s). The Sensing Sounding Trigger frame shall allocate uplink resources for one or more STA’s R2I NDP transmission covering the full bandwidth.
If the number of available sensing transmitters exceeds the available uplink resources, multiple sequential trigger frames may be transmitted within the acquired TXOP. Any STA addressed by a User Info field in a Sensing Sounding
Trigger frame shall transmit NDP SIFS after receiving the Sensing Sounding Trigger frame.
Thanks and regards, -Chris From:
stds-802-11-tgbf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <stds-802-11-tgbf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
On Behalf Of Ali Raissinia Hi Chris, In my opinion as long as AP is able to transmit multiple sensing Trigger Sounding frames during the ‘TF sounding phase’, it can exploit it to be for SU and/or MU UL operation in any order (SU, SU…. SU, MU… MU,MU…..
MU,SU… ,etc.). MU cascading is undefined and perhaps not necessary. What do you think? Regards, Ali From: Chris Beg <chris.beg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
WARNING:
This email originated from outside of Qualcomm. Please be wary of any links or attachments, and do not enable macros. Hi Cheng, Thanks for putting all this material together.
I do have one suggested addition to the second paragraph in section 11.1.4.2.3 (TF Sounding Phase), that I would like to propose to everybody. My suggestion is to highlight the potential usage of a MU cascading sequence, in the event there are more available STAs than UL resources. What is everyone’s thoughts on adding the following red text into the paragraph below? The AP shall transmit a Sensing Sounding Trigger frame to one ore more STAs that are sensing transmitters and that have responded in the polling phase of the TB sensing measurement instance to solict Responder-to-Initiator (R2I) NDP transmission(s).
The Sensing Sounding Trigger frame shall allocate uplink resources for one or more STA’s R2I NDP transmission covering the full bandwidth.
If the number of available sensing transmitters exceeds the available uplink resources, a MU cascading sequence may be used within the acquired TXOP. Any STA addressed by a User Info field in a Sensing Sounding Trigger frame
shall transmit NDP SIFS after receiving the Sensing Sounding Trigger frame.
Thanks and regards, -Chris From:
stds-802-11-tgbf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <stds-802-11-tgbf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
On Behalf Of Chen, Cheng Hello all, Revisions for the PDT text documents for Topic 8, 9, and 11 were uploaded based on the feedback/comments received both at the TGbf calls and from offline emails. Let me know if you have any questions or comments. https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/22/11-22-0173-03-00bf-pdt-tb-sensing-measurement-instance.docx Best, Cheng From: Chen, Cheng
Hello all, The baseline PDT documents for Topic 8, 9, and 11 were already uploaded, which can be found through: https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/22/11-22-0173-01-00bf-pdt-tb-sensing-measurement-instance.docx Best, Cheng To unsubscribe from the STDS-802-11-TGBF list, click the following link:
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