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[MAC PDT: MAPC Signaling and Protocol Aspects] [MAC PDT: Co-RTWT Signaling and Protocol Aspects] Dear MAPC and Co-RTWT TTT members, Thanks for the continued help in preparing the PDTs . A new revision is on Mentor for the two PDTs (25/0599r8, 25/0600r8). Mainly incorporating comments (attaching some responses) from Brian, SunHee, Jay, Xiaofei. I may upload a new revision on May 9th if there is a necessity. I will also request to run SP on these PDT is the May F2F meeting. Best, Giovanni From: Giovanni Chisci <00002b657bbbbed7-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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This email originated from outside of Qualcomm. Please be wary of any links or attachments, and do not enable macros. Thanks for the further suggestion Xiaofei, I can now better appreciate the intention of your early comment. Will modify along those lines. And thanks Jay for your clarification text on ESS, which I will incorporate. Thanks, Giovanni From: Xiaofei Wang <Xiaofei.Wang@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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This email originated from outside of Qualcomm. Please be wary of any links or attachments, and do not enable macros. Hi Giovanni, I guess we are specifying the protocol in the subclause so it should be clear that it can be used for this purpose.
Regarding the second sentence, I am not sure this is the right way to address it. Maybe change the entire note into something like the following. Note: Two APs that belong to the same ESS can enable the use of MAPC schemes via other means than the
MAPC discovery and MAPC agreement negotiation procedures defined in this subclause. Xiaofei Clement Wang Principal Engineer | InterDigital T: (631) 622.4028 From: Giovanni Chisci <gchisci@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Thank you Xiaofei and Jay, The structure of the note is “can use MAPC if A or B” where A is the specified protocol and B is unspecified. So I think for clarity the first sentence should be there. Hopefully keeping the note is ok to clarify that use of MAPC schemes is not precluded if you do not use the specified OTA protocol for setup (but may use something that is not specified in .11). Best, Giovanni From: Xiaofei Wang <Xiaofei.Wang@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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This email originated from outside of Qualcomm. Please be wary of any links or attachments, and do not enable macros. Hi Giovanni & Jay, Regarding the note, I don’t think the first sentence is needed. It should be deleted. Also regarding the second sentence, I like Giovanni’s new wording better, however, since it is not being specified by .11, we are not adding any information here and I tend to propose to delete the note entirely. Xiaofei Clement Wang Principal Engineer | InterDigital T: (631) 622.4028 From: Giovanni Chisci <00002b657bbbbed7-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
[MAC PDT: MAPC Signaling and Protocol Aspects] Hi Jay, Thanks for the comments. I think the direction is ok overall, and planning to update in the following way: NOTE —An AP can enable the use of MAPC schemes by using the rules for MAPC discovery and MAPC agreement negotiation defined in this subclause . Alternatively, two
APs that belong to the same ESS can enable the use of MAPC
schemes via other means. Thanks, Giovanni From:
yang.zhijie@xxxxxxxxxx <yang.zhijie@xxxxxxxxxx>
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This email originated from outside of Qualcomm. Please be wary of any links or attachments, and do not enable macros. Hi Giovanni, Thanks for the new revision. Regarding the following new note added in R7, I doubt whether we need define the term of "network controller" in 802.11 although I know such term are widely
used in implementation. Second, I don't understand what's the means of "coordination
and configuration by a network controller"?
Off course, the network can configure any parameters into the AP as it did today. Why we explicitly mentioned here? NOTE —An AP can enable the use of MAPC schemes
by
using the rules for MAPC discovery
and MAPC agreement negotiation defined in this subclause
. Alternatively, an
AP can enable the use of MAPC schemes via other means such as coordination and configuration by
a network controller. I suggest to make the following change to capture your ideas based on what I thought I understand what's your meaning. NOTE —An AP can enable the use of MAPC schemes
by
using the rules for MAPC discovery
and MAPC agreement negotiation defined in this subclause
. Alternatively, two
APs that belong to the same ESS can enable the use of MAPC schemes via other means for MAPC discovery and MAPC agreement by
the network. Thanks Best Regards Jay Yang (杨志杰)
Original From: GiovanniChisci <00002b657bbbbed7-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: 2025年05月03日
06:43 Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBN] MAC PDTs (2 PDTs ): MAPC Signaling and Protocol Aspects, Co-RTWT Signaling and Protocol Aspects [MAC PDT: MAPC Signaling and Protocol Aspects] [MAC PDT: Co-RTWT Signaling and Protocol Aspects] Dear MAPC and Co-RTWT TTT members, Thanks for the continued help in preparing the PDTs . A new revision is on Mentor for the two PDTs (25/0599r7, 25/0600r7). Mainly incorporating comments (attached replies point-by-point, thanks Brian, Liuming , SunHee , and all!) I will also keep collecting (hopefully minor) comments on r7 until May 7th The target is to run SPs during the F2F meeting Best, Giovanni From: Giovanni Chisci <gchisci@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
[MAC PDT: MAPC Signaling and Protocol Aspects] [MAC PDT: Co-RTWT Signaling and Protocol Aspects] Dear MAPC and Co-RTWT TTT members, Thanks for the continued help in preparing the PDTs . Just an update regarding the timeline for these PDTs :
Thank you in advance, Giovanni Chisci (QC) From: Giovanni Chisci <00002b657bbbbed7-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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This email originated from outside of Qualcomm. Please be wary of any links or attachments, and do not enable macros. [MAC PDT: MAPC Signaling and Protocol Aspects] [MAC PDT: Co-RTWT Signaling and Protocol Aspects] Dear MAPC and Co-RTWT TTT members, Thanks for the additional feedback and substantial engagement. A new revision is on Mentor for the two PDTs (25/0599r6, 25/0600r6). The goal at this stage is to stabilize the document for SP targeting TGbn 12th call on May 1. Please keep providing comments as needed towards this goal during the upcoming week. @Alfred Asterjadhi
could you please help adding to the queue two SPs , one for incorporating 25/0599 and one for incorporating 25/0600? Best, Giovanni Chisci (QC) From: Giovanni Chisci <gchisci@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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This email originated from outside of Qualcomm. Please be wary of any links or attachments, and do not enable macros. Hi Jay, Thanks for your email. I made some changes to address both APs ’ behavior in MAPC Discovery, and incorporated those in r6. Please see the upcoming email to TTT . In practice I introduced MAPC Discovery Request AND Response frames (both can be BC or UC ). Please check out r6 and let me know if you have more comments. Thanks again! Giovanni From:
yang.zhijie@xxxxxxxxxx <yang.zhijie@xxxxxxxxxx>
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This email originated from outside of Qualcomm. Please be wary of any links or attachments, and do not enable macros. Hi Giovanni, The following description in MPAC discovery procedure in 599r5 only caputure the responding AP behavior after receiving individually addressed MAPC Discovery frame, what's the expected behavior for the responding AP in your mind if receving a group addressed
MAPC Discovery frame? 37.8.1.2 MAPC discovery This subclause defines MAPC discovery procedures for APs to advertise and discover their MAPC capabilities and common MAPC parameters. [CID147, CID148, CID1324 CID1398, CID3254]An AP may advertise its MAPC capabilities and common MAPC parameters bytransmitting a MAPC Discovery frame (see 9.6.7.x (MAPC Discovery frame format)) to the broadcast address, or as an individually addressed frame
to another AP. If an AP receives a soliciting individually addressed MAPC Discovery frame from a transmitting AP, the AP shall send anindividually addressed MAPC Discovery frameas a response to the transmitting AP. The value of the Dialog Token field of the MAPCDiscovery
frame (see Figure 9-J1)sent as a response by the AP shall be set to match the value of the Dialog Token field of the soliciting MAPC Discovery frame. Thanks Best Regards Jay Yang (杨志杰)
Original From: GiovanniChisci <00002b657bbbbed7-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: 2025年04月17日
09:08 Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBN] MAC PDTs (2 PDTs ): MAPC Signaling and Protocol Aspects, Co-RTWT Signaling and Protocol Aspects [MAC PDT: MAPC Signaling and Protocol Aspects] [MAC PDT: Co-RTWT Signaling and Protocol Aspects] Dear MAPC and Co-RTWT TTT members, Thanks for the additional feedback. A new revision is on Mentor for the two PDTs (25/0599r4, 25/0600r4). Please find the revisions here: (@Alfred Asterjadhi
, please feel free to update the link on the TGbn agenda at your convenience) @li.yan16@xxxxxxxxxx, your comments are now addressed in r4 to better align with MLO signaling. @Shawn Kim, thanks
for the comments, which unfortunately could not be incorporated in r4 for the time being (some may need more discussions), will take an action on this after the presentation. @all, thanks again for the comments and suggestions. Presentation of these two documents is scheduled for Thursday 4/17 TGbn call. After the call we can work together
to resolve pending and new comments as needed. Best, Giovanni From: Shawn Kim <shawn.kim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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This email originated from outside of Qualcomm. Please be wary of any links or attachments, and do not enable macros. Dear Giovanni, Thank you for preparing the PDT documents. I have a couple of comments on the MAPC PDT — please find them in the attached file. Best regard, Shawn 2025년 4월 15일
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