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Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBN] TGbn Agenda: May To July Telco - Uploaded

Hi Alfred , Ross

 

The TBDs related to MAPC Request/Response frame format (Clause 9) will be resolved as detailed in “Notes” in the table below.

 

Regards,

Arik

 

From: Alfred Asterjadhi <asterjadhi@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: יום ו 06 יוני 2025 00:43
To: STDS-802-11-TGBN@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBN] TGbn Agenda: May To July Telco - Uploaded

 

Thanks Ross for preparing this table. 

 

Hello POCs, and all,

 

Please populate the notes with the CR/PDT submissions that are resolving these TBDs and if the submissions are not yet ready please obtain a DCN number and provide an ETA as to when they will be ready for discussion. 

 

Regards,


Alfred

 

On Thu, Jun 5, 2025 at 2:23 AM Yujian (Ross Yu) <ross.yujian@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Alfred and all,

 

I can give a quick update about the current CID status and number of TBDs in today or next week’s joint call based on the CC sheet r24:

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/25/11-25-0296-24-00bn-ieee-802-11bn-cc50-comments-on-d0-1.xlsx

 

R24: updated some assignees per offline agreement, added resolutions of more PHY CIDs, two CIDs are withdrawn by commenter, 1630 CIDs are now with resolutions. Resolutions for PHY (Motion 389, 392; 84 CIDs) are still to be added. About 199 PHY CIDs are without resolutions; 2057 MAC or joint CIDs are without resolutions.

 

Number of TBDs are also added in a new tab:

Clause

Topic

PoC

TBDs

Notes

Clause 6

　

Yan Li

6

　

Clause 9

9.2.4.6.4 HE variant

Liwen Chu

2

　

9.3.1.22 Trigger frame format

Alice Chen

18

　

9.4.1.85 DPS Operation Parameters

Liwen Chu

5

　

9.4.2.aa1 UHR Operation Element

Ming Gan

6

　

9.4.2.aa2 UHR Capabilities element

Ming Gan

2

　

9.6.7.69 MAPC Request frame format

Arik Klein

2

　Resolved in 11-25/0599r13

9.6.7.70 MAPC Response frame format

Arik Klein

2

　Resolved in 11-25/0599r13

9.6.10 Protected Dual of Public Action frame details

Jay Yang

2

　

Clause 37

37.5 Prioritized EDCA

Dmitry Akhmetov

1

　

37.6 UHR Acknowledgement Procedure

Ming Gan

1

Ack procedure for ELR

37.14 SMD BSS transition

Duncan Ho

14

　

37.15 Power management

Liwen Chu

17

　

37.16 Non-primary channel access (NPCA)

Matthew Fischer

16

　

37.17 Unavailability reporting and parameter updates

Laurent Cariou

37

　

37.20 Padding for an ICF

Liwen Chu

1

　

37.22 Low Latency Indication

Mohamed Abouelseoud

3

　

Clause 38

38.3.5 Interference mitigation

Shimi Shilo

13

　

38.3.16.8 Pilot subcarriers

Chenchen Liu

5

　

38.3.22 Coordinated spatial reuse

Jason Yuchen Guo

1

　

Annex C

　

Yan Li

1

　

　

Total

　

155

　

 

Please help check if the PoCs are correct or not.

 

For D0.3, I expect it will be ready for uploading to member area on late Thursday or Friday, and uploaded to member area either late this week or early next week.

 

Regards

Ross Jian Yu 于健

Huawei Technologies

 

发件人: Alfred Asterjadhi <asterjadhi@xxxxxxxxx>
发送时间: 2025年5月31日 3:31
收件人: STDS-802-11-TGBN@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
主题: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBN] TGbn Agenda: May To July Telco - Uploaded

 

Hi MAC team,

 

Let me know if any of these other docs would benefit from further convergence/discussion, in which case i can move the SP to (possibly) next Thursday as well:

·         CR/PDT SPs:

·         25/0437 CC D0.1 subclause 37.11                                 Laurent Cariou [152C SP]

·         25/0538 cc50-cid-1780-discussion-on-npca-switch-back Chaoming Luo [1C SP]

·         25/0571 CR-MAC-CC50-CIDs 1550,1551 and 1553      Yajun Cheng    [3C SP]

·         25/0599 PDT MAC MAPC Sig. & Protocol Aspects       Giovanni Chisci [30C SP]

·         25/0448 PDT MAC on low latency indication                Mohamed Abouelseoud [PDT]

 

I will post an updated agenda by end of today (ET) so please let me know by then.


Regards,

 

Alfred

 

On Fri, May 30, 2025 at 9:25 AM Alfred Asterjadhi <asterjadhi@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Michail,

 

Prioritization is based on the number of CIDs/resolved TBDs and as usual SPs on PDT/CRs have priority. 

 

I don't have visibility on other aspects of the discussions, and hence I encourage members to use the reflector so that we can get a sense of how the discussions are going. 

 

Having said that, I can move this CR to Thursday next week, and schedule SPs that are pending on a similar subject during the same Telco.

 

Regards,

 

Alfred 

 

 

Alfred Asterjadhi,

IEEE802.11 TGbe/TGbn Chair,

Qualcomm Technologies Inc.

Cell #:    +1 858 263 9445

Office #: +1 858 658 5302

 

On Fri, May 30, 2025, 9:12 AM Michail Koundourakis <m.koundou@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Alfred,

 

I can see that at the top of the CR/PDT SPs, in the agenda document for June 2th there is:

    • 25/0437 CC D0.1 subclause 37.11                                 Laurent Cariou [152C SP]

 

This contribution was presented 2 times in the Warsaw F2F and SP was run (with several comments voiced and a count requested). The group did not support the proposed resolutions. I appreciate that anyone can bring an SP for as many time as they wish, but I wonder how easy it is to appear at top of the agenda again when:

  1. There is no updated revision of the document, and
  2. There have been no discussion about this document in the reflector, and
  3. There has been no willingness to discuss how to technically address a number of comments that have been explicitly pointed out to the authors, and
  4. There are many other documents that have not had their chance to be presented to the group.

 

I am not going to be able to attend the call, as it is in an unfriendly to Europe timezone, so I’d like to use this opportunity to voice my objection to the proposed resolutions. My technical concerns are:

  1. I have requested to include a different resolution for CID1751. The authors prefer to remove the CID from the SP list, and bring a separate SP without considering my technical contribution.
  2. CID241 is included in the contribution, with a “Reject” resolution. I have voiced a number of times my concern that DUO is limited to non-AP STAs, when in the real world implementations the same coexistence issues are valid and need addressing beyond non-AP STAs. I also find strange that only this one comment has been selected to go in this list (and get rejected); I am worried that it will be used later as an excuse to reject similar comments other members have made in CC50.
  3. Resolution text marked with tag [#3214] uses terms such as MaxStandaloneDuoBSRP which are not defined in this document or in D0.1/0.2, and there is no cross reference which allow me to find their meaning. So, I cannot tell if this resolution is acceptable, as I do not understand what limits it will bring to the non-AP STA’s behaviour.

 

Kind regards,

Michail

 

From: Alfred Asterjadhi <asterjadhi@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: 28 May 2025 01:12
To: STDS-802-11-TGBN@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [STDS-802-11-TGBN] TGbn Agenda: May To July Telco - Uploaded

 

Hello all,

 

TGbn agenda for the teleconferences between May and July can be found here.

Please check that the queues reflect all submissions requests. 

 

Regards,


Alfred

 

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Qualcomm Technologies Inc.

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Qualcomm Technologies Inc.

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Qualcomm Technologies Inc.

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