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Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBN] Update - TGbn Announcement: MAC/PHY Ad-Hoc Meeting, July 23-25, 2025, in Espoo, Finland

Thanks Mark. A couple of comments:

The Bounded ESS field is set to 1 by an AP if the set of BSSs in the ESS the AP is a member of is fixed and advertised (see 37.xx), 


This seems to imply all those APs (presumably, identified by their BSSIDs) are "advertised", however to my understanding is that only the primary channels of those APs are advertised.

Also I'm not entirely sure what "fixed" means.

Maybe this could say something like ""set to 1 by an AP if the AP advertises the primary channels of all BSSs in the ESS that the AP is a member of, and that list of channels is not expected to frequently change (see 37.xx)...".


Otherwise, it shall set the Bounded ESS field to 0 and shall not include any AP Channel Report elements in the (Re)Association Response frames.


Let's say the ESS is large. Might there not be a benefit from the AP advertising the list of channels that reasonably-near-neighboring APs are operating on, even if that list does not cover the entire ESS? (That list of channels might encapsulate a larger set of APs than might otherwise be indicated in RNR/NR).

Thanks
Thomas


On Jul 28, 2025 at 11:52:17, Mark Rison <m.rison@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I've uploaded https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/25/11-25-1165-02-00bn-resolutions-for-some-comments-on-11bn-d0-1-cc50.docx

following the presentation of r0 at the ad hoc last week.  The changes are:

 

  • rename to Bounded ESS
  • use AP Channel Report element rather than Channel Usage element
  • don’t use the term “roaming scan” but instead “scan for other APs of the same ESS”
  • don’t use the term “at all times” but instead “proactively”
  • clarify that motion is relative to the frame of reference of the AP.

 

If you have any comments, please reply to this reflector or directly to

me (and/or the other authors).

 

Alfred, could you put this on the agenda for this week?  Not for PM2

today, AM1 on Wednesday or AM2 on Thursday, please, and preferably

tomorrow (Tuesday).

 

Thanks,

 

Mark

 

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Subject: RE: [STDS-802-11-TGBN] Update - TGbn Announcement: MAC/PHY Ad-Hoc Meeting, July 23-25, 2025, in Espoo, Finland

 

Hello Alfred,

 

Please add https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/25/11-25-1165-00-00bn-resolutions-for-some-comments-on-11bn-d0-1-cc50.docx

to the queue.  This provides resolutions to CIDs 3117, 3118, 3119 and 3120.

 

Thanks,

 

Mark

 

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Samsung Cambridge Solution Centre       Tel: +44 1223  434600

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ROYAUME UNI                             WWW: http://www.samsung.com/uk

 

From: Srini Kandala <srini.k1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, 17 July 2025 23:10
To: STDS-802-11-TGBN@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBN] Update - TGbn Announcement: MAC/PHY Ad-Hoc Meeting, July 23-25, 2025, in Espoo, Finland

 

Hi Alfred,

 

Can you add the following contributions for resolving two CIDs to the ad hoc agenda:

 

17-Jul-2025 ET

2025

1158

0

TGbn

Resolution for CID 1565 on 11bn/D0.1 (CC50)

Srinivas Kandala (Samsung)

Pending

17-Jul-2025 ET

2025

1161

0

TGbn

Resolution for CID 1751 on 11bn/D0.01 (CC50)

Michail Koundourakis (Samsung)

Pending

 

We expect to upload either this weekend or early next week.

Thanks.

Best regards,

srini

 

From: Alfred Asterjadhi <asterjadhi@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2025 5:11 PM
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Subject: [STDS-802-11-TGBN] Update - TGbn Announcement: MAC/PHY Ad-Hoc Meeting, July 23-25, 2025, in Espoo, Finland

 

Hello all, The in-person registration is now concluded. In the meantime please find attached some updated information about the venue (including Lunch details). Let me know if you have any questions. Regards, Alfred On Tue, May 27, 2025 at 9: 25

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Hello all,

 

The in-person registration is now concluded. In the meantime please find attached some updated information about the venue (including Lunch details).

Let me know if you have any questions.

 

Regards,


Alfred

 

 

 

On Tue, May 27, 2025 at 9:25 AM Alfred Asterjadhi <asterjadhi@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hello all,

 

TGbn will hold a MAC/PHYC ad-hoc meeting between 23th and 25th of July 2025 at the Nokia Campus in Espoo (~15 km from Helsinki city center), Finland.

 

The MAC/PHY ad-hoc will be held at the location below:

                  Karakaari 7, 

                   02610 Espoo, 

                   Finland

 

Detailed agenda will be available prior to the meeting but generally the expectation is to have:

  • Wednesday (July 23):           MAC/PHY Ad-Hoc  during              AM1, AM2, PM1, and PM2
  • Thursday (July 24):                MAC/PHY Ad-Hoc  during             AM1, AM2, PM1, and PM2
  • Friday (July 25):                     MAC/PHY Ad-Hoc  during             AM1, AM2, PM1, and  PM2

 

Where the sessions are expected to be:

AM1:     09:00 – 10:30

AM2:     10:45 – 12:15

PM1:     13:30 – 15:30

PM2:     16:00 – 18:00

 

Web conferencing links ( WebEx) will be available for remote participation.

 

In-person attendance of this meeting requires registration. To register please send Prabodh, and me an e-mail (prabodh.varshney at nokia.com and asterjadhi at gmail.com) with the following subject: “TGbn Ad Hoc July Attendance Request”, and include in the e-mail body the details for each in-person attendee (name, mobile number, e-mail address). The deadline to send the registration e-mail is  July 10th 2025.

  

Please use the following contacts for local and/or ad-hoc specific queries:

Prabodh Vershney (prabodh.varshney at nokia.com) and Mika Kasslin (mika.kasslin at nokia.com)

 

Additional information on the meeting and location are attached to this e-mail.

And please feel free to contact me for any questions or issues you may have.

 

Special thanks to Prabodh and Nokia for hosting the TGbn July ad-hoc meeting.

 

Regards,

 

Alfred

 

 

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