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Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBN] CR on MAPC/Co-TDMA CID: [STDS-802-11-TGBN] TGbn : MAC meetings (urgent)



Hi Sanket,

 

apologies for the delayed response.

I have uploaded rev. 6 of doc 1988; I hope it may address your concerns/questions.

 

Also, please see my responses inline in [green] and appreciate your feedback.

 

 

From: Sanket Kalamkar <sankal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 9, 2026 5:07 PM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBN@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Samat Shabdanov <Samat.Shabdanov@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBN] CR on MAPC/Co-TDMA CID: [STDS-802-11-TGBN] TGbn : MAC meetings (urgent)

 

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Hi Samat,

 

>Making TXOP return optional even after it has been solicited would create an ambiguity, i.e., it leaves the coordinating AP uncertain whether the >coordinated AP will return the remaining time or use the allocation until it expires or use only a portion of the allocation.

 

When an AP acting as a coordinating AP has set the RX TXOP Return Support field to 1,

it indicates the capability of the AP to receive/process the TXOP return frame. 

 

Since the TXOP return mechanism does not have an error recovery mechanism to handle the cases when the TXOP return frame is lost,

the coordinating AP needs to be able to reclaim a TXOP return upon the expiration of the allocated time.

Currently, the specs allows both mechanisms: see D2.1 page 371 line 37-39  -> non contradiction on this

 

  • This would also reduce the efficiency of multi-AP sharing.

 

Quite the contrary.  Sending the TXOP return frame in the multi-AP sharing decreases airtime utilization linearly with the number of coordinated APs.

 

  • If the previous coordinated AP does not return the TXOP, another OBSS STA may access the medium before the coordinating AP can allocate the remaining time to a subsequent AP. The coordinating AP may similarly lose the opportunity to use the remaining TXOP to serve an associated non-AP STA.

 

Rev. 6 addresses this concern by returning to the original purpose of the TXOP return: a coordinating AP sends a TXOP return frame when it has an unused portion of the allocated time left.

 

Regarding insufficient allocation of time, I agree that the coordinating AP has to allocate sufficient time. There are other CIDs addressing this Issue, and I am working on the corresponding resolution.

 

Well, I think the suggested changes address it. 

 

The retransmission scenario, however, is not a contradiction caused by TXOP return. With or without TXOP return, the coordinated AP is required to ensure that its PPDU transmissions and expected responses fit within the allocated time.

 

Please note that the acknowledge frames are scheduled ahead of the queued TXOP return frame If the AP lacks sufficient time after retransmission, it won't be able to send out the TXOP return frame.

 

 

Best,

Sanket

 


From: Samat Shabdanov <0000490d4a372b74-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2026 6:09 PM
To:
STDS-802-11-TGBN@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <STDS-802-11-TGBN@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBN] CR on MAPC/Co-TDMA CID: [STDS-802-11-TGBN] TGbn : MAC meetings (urgent)

 

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Hello All,

 

regarding doc 26/1988. Thank you for the opportunity to present the CR.

 

I saw some questions in the chat windows but unfortunately,

 I didn have a chance to copy these questions, could please duplicate your question(s) for me per email ?

 

Also,  members who had questions but didn’t have a chance to ask (due to time limit),

Your questions are welcome, so please email me your questions.

 

Thank you in advance,

samat

 

From: Samat Shabdanov
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2026 1:36 PM
To: 'asterjadhi@xxxxxxxxx' <asterjadhi@xxxxxxxxx>; STDS-802-11-TGBN@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: CR on MAPC/Co-TDMA CID: [STDS-802-11-TGBN] TGbn : MAC meetings (urgent)

 

Hello Alfred/All,

 

after receiving some comments offline, I have revised doc 26/1988 “,  “urgent MAPC/Co-TDMA CID”  to address them.

 

the uploaded rev. 1 of doc 1988 is here  https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/26/11-26-1988-01-00bn-urgent-mapc-co-tdma-cid.docx

 

thank you,

samat

 

 

On Sun, Oct 11, 2026 at 4:58 PM Samat Shabdanov <Samat.Shabdanov@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hello Alfred/All,

 

thank you for adding doc. 26/1988,  “urgent MAPC/Co-TDMA CID” to the MAC queue.

 

I have uploaded doc 26/1988 on mentor for your review https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/26/11-26-1988-00-00bn-urgent-mapc-co-tdma-cid.docx

I welcome your feedback and would be happy to discuss your comments offline

 

Thank you,

samat

 

From: Samat Shabdanov <0000490d4a372b74-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2026 9:43 PM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBN@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [STDS-802-11-TGBN] request to queue a CR: ]STDS-802-11-TGBN] TGbn : MAC meetings

 

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Hello Alfred,

 

please would you add urgently 26/1988,  “urgent MAPC/Co-TDMA CID” to the MAC queue ( 1 CID but urgent)

 

 

thank you,

samat


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