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Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBT] Liaison to IETF on support for draft-ietf-tls-mlkem

 

  Jarkko,

 

  The liaison is specifically about pure PQC. The Internet-Draft in question is pure PQC. “The industry”, in the form of the TLS working group in the IETF, is proposing to define pure PQC ML-KEM ciphersuites for TLS 1.3.

 

  If you think we should “remain open to a range of PQC technologies” then saying we would like to see this Internet-Draft published as an RFC would seem to be the correct thing to do!

 

  Dan.

 

--

“the object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to

escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius

 

 

From: Jarkko Kneckt <00000d5619618f4f-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: Jarkko Kneckt <jkneckt@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thursday, March 12, 2026 at 9:20 AM
To: "STDS-802-11-TGBT@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <STDS-802-11-TGBT@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBT] Liaison to IETF on support for draft-ietf-tls-mlkem

 

Hi Robert, 

 

I have a comment on the liaison. 

The industry has been exploring both pure and hybrid PQC key establishment approaches, and this work is still ongoing. At this stage, it is important to remain open to a range of PQC technologies rather than narrowing the focus exclusively to pure PQC solutions.

 

Is it possible to delete “that use pure ML-KEM.” In this sentence, as shown below. 

 

 

Chers,

Jarkko 



On Mar 12, 2026, at 8:49 AM, Stacey, Robert <robert.stacey@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

 

Hello Dan,

 

I've made the modifications and will present an r1 in TGbt. I've haven't posted it yet to keep open the option for further modifications.

 

-Robert

 

From: Harkins, Dan <00003862fd143b8a-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2026 8:24 AM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBT@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <STDS-802-11-TGBT@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBT] Liaison to IETF on support for draft-ietf-tls-mlkem

 

 

  Robert,

 

  Are you going to update r0 and change the sentence to what you are OK with? Looks like Stephen has a motion queued up for r0 in AM2 and it would be nice to not have a debate over that motion. Would you like me to update r0?

 

  Regards,

 

  Dan.

 

--

“the object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to

escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius

 

 

From: "Stacey, Robert" <robert.stacey@xxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: "Stacey, Robert" <robert.stacey@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2026 at 12:13 PM
To: "STDS-802-11-TGBT@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <STDS-802-11-TGBT@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBT] Liaison to IETF on support for draft-ietf-tls-mlkem

 

Hello Dan,

 

I am OK with:

“We would further request that the IETF look at updating EAP-TLS once draft-ietf-tls-mlkem is published as this is one of the mechanisms which that IEEE P802.11bt will use.”

 

-Robert

 

From: Peter Yee <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2026 12:05 PM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBT@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <STDS-802-11-TGBT@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBT] Liaison to IETF on support for draft-ietf-tls-mlkem

 

Dan,

 

                In fact, the EMU WG does have one proposal for an updated EAP-TLS (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-reddy-emu-pqc-eap-tls/). That is, of course, a personal Internet-Draft and has not yet been adopted by the EMU WG. It’s also possible that some other approach will be taken for updating EAP-TLS.

 

                                Kind regards,

                                -Peter

 

On 3/11/26, 11:38 AM, "Harkins, Dan" <00003862fd143b8a-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

 

 

  Hi Robert,

 

  It says, “We would further request that the IETF look at updating EAP-TLS once draft-ietf-tls-mlkem is published as this is the mechanism through which IEEE P802.11bt will use this work.” It is not “the mechanism”, it is “one of the mechanisms”. Also, “this is the mechanism…use this work” is a bit confusing. How about:

 

“We would further request that the IETF look at updating EAP-TLS once draft-ietf-tls-mlkem is published as this is one of the mechanisms which IEEE P802.11bt will use.”

 

  We should also ask the IETF IEEE Liaison Officer about this seeing as he is the co-chair of the EAP Methods Update (EMU) working group of the IETF that will be doing the work 😊

 

  Regards,

 

  Dan.

 

--

“the object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to

escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius

 

 

From: "Stacey, Robert" <robert.stacey@xxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: "Stacey, Robert" <robert.stacey@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2026 at 11:26 AM
To: "STDS-802-11-TGBT@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <STDS-802-11-TGBT@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [STDS-802-11-TGBT] Liaison to IETF on support for draft-ietf-tls-mlkem

 

Hello Stephen,

 

I have uploaded a draft liaison to the IETF on support for the publication of draft-ietf-tls-mlkem as an RFC.

 

I would appreciate it if we could review this at the Thursday AM2 TGbt meeting. I would like the group to consider a motion to approve this (or a variant based on further discussion).

 

Regards,

-Robert 

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