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| Steve, 
 I 
honestly do not think that .19 should go down that 
road. If it 
does, I strongly suggest that requirements to scan for other 802 family 
wireless devices would have to apply to ALL 802 wireless devices. 
 Let's 
consider: 1) The 
ISM bands are what they are: ISM band devices are required by law 
to accept any interference received from other ISM 
devices. 2) 
Another factoid is that 802 devices constitute a small portion of the things 
found in ISM bands. (ref the tutorial given by the hospital guys re what they 
saw in ISM bands when they scanned). 3) Independent of if we like it or not, the mixture of signals in 
the ISM bands is not static - what one accounted for in yesterday's design may 
or may not be good enough tomorrow - the band signal content is 
dynamic. 4) The law has no analogy of a homestead act for 
spectrum in the ISM bands - Ownership of spectrum is not conveyed by sales of 
devices.  5) The source of what one's device perceives 
as "interference" is not really relevant (in that it does 
not matter if it is from another 802 device or a non-802 
device).    6) 
Channel width used by a device is also not relevant (100 1MHZ adjacent channels 
fill the same amount of spectrum as 1 100MHz channel). My 
pragmatic conclusion, developed over many years, is that if 
one wants to play in the ISM bands, one had better be able to operate in 
the ISM environment, including accepting the interference one is likely to 
receive. If one's device can't handle that, don't expect to have a 
successful product. SO then I ask why scan for 802 devices? 
 Presumably because "someone" wants "something" to happen to make 
their operation "better" when the "other" devices are found.... 
 Who is 
to say what use of the ISM band is more important that another? 
 The 
only consistent answer to those questions I would expect to hear is "mine is 
more important than yours"; a rat hole argument that can never be 
"won". I've 
observed that people tend to react emotionally along the lines of 
"just don't interfere with me"....  ISM band 
reality is that if ISM product operation depends on assumptions 
that can not be guaranteed in the ISM band, one may not have made a good choice 
of  spectrum for the product design. When I 
consider these points, I wonder what is the benefit of having 802 devices 
looking for only other 802 devices? What 
will they do when they find them? Who 
gets out of the way of whom?  why? 
 based 
on what objective or criteria? Having 
found 802 devices, does it matter given the full extent of devices operating in 
the ISM band? Seems 
to me like a lot of work to address a rather small percentage of the ISM 
"interference sources". Suppose 802 did 
eventually require that all 802 devices look for other 802 devices.... 
 to what end?  how would 802 keep that updated as new devices are 
invented?  Cross coupling operational aspects of different 802 
standards in that manner would seem to be an enormous complication; and one 
that I don't see a payback for. The pace of the 802 standards process 
pretty much tells me that by the time that "802 family scanning" were 
standardized, the assumed mixture of devices would be obsolete. And what would 
old 802 devices do wrt to new ones? they would have no way to know how to scan 
for them... I think it very unwise for .19 to attempt to extend 
simple "coexistence" (which is not and has never been a synonym for "zero 
interference interaction") into "cross 802 wireless standard awareness" or (even 
more complicated) "dynamic spectrum management between 802 devices".  
 I suspect that anyone which sticks a toe in that 
tar pit is unlikely to ever see their toe (or foot or...) 
again... Dave ____________ David Bagby 
 Calypso Ventures, 
Inc. office: (650) 637-7741 email: Dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
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