Hi All, 
  I have a mild concern with bandwidths on the order of 20-40 
  MHz: 
1) What use cases drive this need? 
  
2) Is there spectrum available below 3.5 GHz? 
  
3) Is 802.20 trying to compete with 802.16b or e? 
  
No real heartburn on this, but just trying to understand 
  why. 
  Joseph Cleveland 
  -----Original Message----- 
From: 
  Jerry1upton@aol.com [mailto:Jerry1upton@aol.com] 
  
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 12:25 PM 
  
To: joanne@arraycomm.com; M.Klerer@flarion.com; 
  stds-80220-requirements@ieee.org 
Cc: 
  joconnor@ipwireless.com; JClevela@sta.samsung.com; scrowley@attglobal.net; 
  Mark.Cudak@motorola.com; imamura.daichi@jp.panasonic.com; 
  Trinkwon@compuserve.com; fwatanabe@ieee.org
  Subject: Re: stds-80220-requirements: comments on rev5 - 
  Channel bandwidth resolution 
  Joanne, 
Your proposal does add clarity 
  to the discussion. 
  
However, it is not clear that we have consensus support. Though silence 
  maybe consensus, it is useful to hear from the earlier proponents of wider 
  channel bandwidths. I have copied a number of individuals who I believe were 
  proponents. I ask them to give us some direct feedback. If I have missed 
  proponents or have missed stated their positions, I apologize in 
  advance.
  I do propose a change in your proposed in "Action 2" 
  4.1.4. 
  
You 
  proposed: 
"Additionally, requirements for 802.20 
  systems targeted for the larger allocation bandwidths (i.e. 2x10 or 2x20 MHz 
  FDD allocations, and 20 MHz or 40 MHz TDD allocations) are presented in 
  [Section][Addendum] XX of this document.1.4."
   
My proposal: 
"Requirements for 802.20 systems applicable only to specific channel 
  bandwidths are highlighted and noted in each section of this document. Unless 
  highlighted and noted the requirements stated in each section shall be 
  applicable to all channel bandwidths and allocations listed above."
  Rationale: 
Many of requirements should 
  be applicable to all channel bandwidths. If there are requirements specific to 
  the channel bandwidth, the proponent(s) should highlight them. These could be 
  for wider or narrower channel bandwidths. It is much easier for the reader of 
  the requirements document to understand the differences versus referring back 
  to an addendum. This will also reduce any ambiguity between common 
  requirements and specific requirements.
  Regards, 
Jerry Upton 
  In a message dated 9/10/2003 5:20:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
  joanne@arraycomm.com writes: 
  > Folks, 
> It appears that there 
  is consensus support for Mark Klerer's proposal 
> 
  in his September 2nd email. To capture that in the Requirements 
  
> Document, I propose the following: 
  
>  
> Proposal: 
  
> Section 4.1.4 Channel Bandwidth 
>  
> Current Text: 
> The AI shall support bandwidths in multiples of 5 MHz in downlink 
  and 
> uplink. 
>  
  
> Action 1: 
> Change the 
  title of section heading to: 
>  
  
>             
  4.1.4.  Support for different allocation bandwidths 
>  
> Rationale: 
>  
> This seems to be more in 
  keeping with this basic requirement which is 
> to 
  support deployment of 802.20 systems in different allocation 
> bandwidths. 
>  
> Action 2: 
>  
> Replace the current text in 4.1.4. with the following: 
  
>  
>  
  
> The AI shall support deployment of 802.20 systems 
  in the following 
> allocation 
> bandwidths: 
> 
  +---------------------------------------------- -+ 
> 
  |                                     
  |                                    
  |    
> | FDD 
  Allocations           
  |       2 x 1.25 
  MHz       | 
> 
  |                                     
  |       2 x 5 
  MHz            | 
  
> 
  |                                     
  |       2 x 10 
  MHz          | 
> 
  |                                     
  |       2 x 20 
  MHz          | 
> +-----------------------+-----------------------+ 
> 
  |                                     
  |                                    
  | 
> | TDD 
  Allocations          
  |     2.5 
  MHz                  
  | 
> 
  |                                     
  |       5 
  MHz                  
  | 
> 
  |                                     
  |     10 
  MHz                  
  | 
> 
  |                                     
  |     20 
  MHz                  
  | 
> 
  |                                     
  |     40 
  MHz                  
  | 
> 
  +-----------------------+-----------------------+ 
> 
  The individual 802.20 AI proposals may optimize their MAC and PHY 
  
> designs for specific bandwidth and duplexing 
  schemes. Additionally, 
> requirements for 802.20 
  systems targeted for the larger allocation 
> 
  bandwidthss (i.e. 2x10 or 2x20 MHz FDD allocations, and 20 MHz or 40 
  
> MHz TDD allocations) are presented in 
  [Section][Addendum] XX of this 
> document. 
  
>  
> Rationale: 
  
> This text captures the proposal put forth by Mark Klerer 
  on September 
> 2 addressing the interests of the 
  various parties in the discussion 
> about 
  allocation bandwidths.  To remove ambiguity about the specific 
  
> allocations for FDD and TDD systems, they are 
  listed in a table so the 
> reader doesn't have to 
  know that 2 x N MHz (FDD) is equivalent to. 2N MHz (TDD) allocations. 
  
>  
> NOTE:  I am also 
  proposing to add 5MHz to the list for TDD allocations 
> since it is not unusual to see allocations of this size for TDD 
  
> systems. Also, the text of the section or 
  addendum related to systems 
> for higher allocation 
  bandwidths should be proposed by the proponents 
> 
  of those options. 
> 
  %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% 
>  
> I hope this proposed text is 
  acceptable to everyone. 
>  
> Best regards, 
> Joanne 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: 
  owner-stds-80220-requirements@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-stds-80220-requirements@majordomo.ieee.org]On 
  Behalf Of Klerer Mark
  > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 10:18 AM 
  
> To: stds-80220-requirements@ieee.org 
> Subject: RE: stds-80220-requirements: comments on rev5 - Channel 
  bandwidth resolution 
> 
> 
  
> Proposal for a Way Forward: 
>  
> It is becoming obvious that 
  there are constituencies for both the 1.25 
> - 5 
  MHz channel bandwidth range and for the channel bandwidth range of 10-20 MHz. 
  I would, therefore, like to propose that we accommodate both ranges (see 
  below).
  >  
> I would, first like to 
  point out that when we were speaking about 1.25 
> 
  and 5 MHz that is for paired FDD spectrum, i.e. the total bandwidth a service 
  provider will need is 2 x 1.25 and 2 x 5 MHz (I.E. 2.5 and 10MHz allocations). 
  For TDD systems that translate to 2.5 and 10 MHz unpaired spectrum, 
  respectively. (This is made clear in a footnote to the Table in item 18 of the 
  PAR { 802.20 - PD-02 } for the 1.25 MHz system - the PAR table does not show 
  the 5 MHz parameters). I propose we stick with this convention of referring to 
  bandwidth of the channel in this way. This will imply that when we speak about 
  10 MHz and 20 MHz channel bandwidth we are speaking about allocations of 20 
  and 40 MHz, respectively (with TDD free to split this bandwidth 
  asymmetrically).
  >  
> I would like to 
  propose that we agree to the following: 
> 
  1.    Accommodate channel bandwidths of 1.25, 5, 10 and 20 MHz 
  (i.e. systems requiring allocation of 2.5, 5, 20 and 40 MHz).  
  > 2.    The individual systems are allowed 
  to optimize their PHY and MAC designs for bandwidth and duplexing 
  scheme. 
> 3.    The Requirements 
  document either includes a separate section or we create an Addendum that 
  addresses requirements for the 10 and 20 MHz systems. [I propose that we need 
  to get some closure on the issues raised on the conference call and prior 
  e-mails as to, e.g. whether we envision this to be used only for capacity 
  increase (and CAPEX reduction - as noted by Jim) or whether we (also) envision 
  the introduction of new services that require more bandwidth (as indicated by 
  David McGinnis) so that there is some guidance for the design of these 
  systems].
  >  
> I believe the above 
  would allow us to move forward on a common basis 
> 
  creating a specification (or specifications) that will satisfy the various 
  international needs for now and the foreseeable future.
  >  
> With the understanding 
  that the 20MHz design will require an 
> allocation 
  of 40 MHz I would be interested in opinions 
> 
  whether we already need to address this at this time. 
>  
> Regards, 
>  
> Mark Klerer