Ogura-san,
I do not support your proposal; the rules for virtual meetings are somewhat different than face-to-face meetings. The process we are using has been agreed in multiple
groups.
Steve
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From: Ichiro Ogura <i-ogura@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2021 8:09 AM
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Subject: [802.3_OMEGA] Ichiro Ogura:Re: [802.3_OMEGA] [EXTERNAL]--[802.3_OMEGA] What happened: Re: [802.3_OMEGA] Request for specific questions on straw polls of August 3rd
Ruben and all,
I don't want my personal name printed in any material without my permission.
Supporse if you want person to include in the supporter list you send mail person by person and take permission.
I request to remove individual names and indicate the number of votes.
I also request not to identify the names in the results in minutes. I received in my straw polls just the number of Yes, no, abstain.
Regards,
Ichiro
On 2021/08/17 21:00, Rubén Pérez-Aranda wrote:
Dear Ogura-san,
Straw-polls' results are public now in our minutes. I announced on August 3 that I would send this email.
For many straw-polls and motions that I did, I received the answer from many participants that more information
is needed to justify negative votes or abstaining. I am willing to elaborate more information and give
answers to any question in order to get supporters for my baseline proposals and building consensus.
From a logical point of view, I cannot elaborate additional information if I do not know about which specific information
is missed, incomplete, etc. My desire to give you and everybody answers and additional information. Please, help me,
and let me know which specific information I should prepare.
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Steve
I know, but one can send mail person by person not listing-up in the official presentation.
All we are allowed is to list-up supporters, I believe.
Thank you,
Ichiro
On 2021/08/17 19:42, Swanson, Steven E wrote:
Ogura-san,
In general, there is no issue with abstaining on a straw poll. However, Ruben’s straw polls had three options for abstaining:
Abstain: I need more information
Abstain: Lack of expertise
Abstain: I want to be neutral
On the 4 straw polls, you voted:
Straw poll 1: Abstain: need more information
Straw poll 2: Abstain: need more information
Straw poll 3: Abstain: need more information
Straw poll 4: No vote
Ruben is asking what information do you need for Straw polls 1-3?
If one votes “no” on a straw poll, what are the specific reasons why?
We cannot make progress if we don’t know your concerns with the proposals so the concerns can be addressed.
Steve
Sent from my personal assistant
On Aug 17, 2021, at 6:14 AM, Ichiro Ogura <i-ogura@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
All,
I returned from my off-days and found Ruben's mail and presentation today, that is very surprising.
I just answered to his straw polls and my name is listed in his presentation, saying, hey these people answered "no" to my questions.
Also "abstain" is just "abstain" just because I am not confident to say "yes". Is it a violation to something?
Ruben, Stop doing this.
Bob, Is this allowed to list up people in the official presentation just because we say no (moreover just abstain)?
I apologize if may saying violates IEEE rules because I'm not a native.
Thank you.
Ichiro
On 2021/08/06 6:25, Rubén Pérez-Aranda wrote:
Dear all,
I reviewed the results of my straw polls of August 3rd 802.3cz AdHoc meeting, which have been published in the minutes.
In general, I understand the abstains due to lack of expertise and the abstains for being neutral, provided that these abstains
are not transformed with no reason in negative votes in the corresponding future motions.
However, I do not understand abstains based on the necessity of more information, because every question asked
during my contributions were answered by me, and for some of the baseline proposals even no questions were received.
On the other hand, I did not receive any opposition against the proposals of BER test mode, loopback modes and EEE. I would like
to understand the negative votes and solve the technical reasons behind.
For the 50G PCS/PMA proposal, we had several discussions and additional contribution was presented by me giving answers to
not asked questions.
You should understand that is impossible for me to imagine which kind of information is missed by you if no questions
are asked.
The following participants are requested to send specific questions so that I can provide the additional information that is missed
by abstainers and that is needed by negative voters to understand the proposals.
I will be pleased to elaborate specific contributions to address the questions.
Straw poll 1: BER test mode proposal
* Abstains that need more information:
* Ichiro Ogura PETRA
* Richard Pitwon Resolute Photonics
* Masato Shiino, FURUKAWA
* Tomohiro Kikuta Adamant Namiki Precision Jewel Co., Ltd.
* Nozomi Tsuzaki, Independent
* Hideki Isono Fujitsu Optical Components
* Negative votes:
* Takeo Masuda [OITDA/PETRA]
Straw poll 2: Loopback modes proposal
* Abstains that need more information:
* Ichiro Ogura PETRA
* Richard Pitwon Resolute Photonics
* Masato Shiino, FURUKAWA
* Takeo Masuda [OITDA/PETRA]
* Shigeru Kobayashi, AIO Core
* Hideki Isono Fujitsu Optical Components
Straw poll 3: EEE proposal
* Abstains that need more information:
* Richard Pitwon Resolute Photonics
* Masato Shiino, FURUKAWA
* Takeo Masuda [OITDA/PETRA]
* Negative votes:
* Ichiro Ogura PETRA
Straw poll 4: 50 Gb/s PCS/PMA proposal
* Abstains that need more information:
* Richard Pitwon Resolute Photonics
* Michikazu Aono - Yazaki
* Masato Shiino, FURUKAWA
* Yasuhiro Hyakutake, Adamant Namiki Precision Jewel
* Nobuyasu Araki YAZAKI
* Tomohiro Kikuta Adamant Namiki Precision Jewel Co., Ltd.
* Manabu Kagami - NITech
* Taiji Kondo, MegaChips
* Hideki Isono Fujitsu Optical Components
* Takehiro Hayashi HAT Lab - independent
* Negative votes:
* Takeo Masuda [OITDA/PETRA]
* Shigeru Kobayashi, AIO Core
* Hideki Goto Toyota
Thank you and best regards,
Rubén Pérez-Aranda
CTO at KDPOF
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