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Geoff – I will add this to the agenda. As this is regarding the WG P&Ps, and our main item of business is to get the LMSC P&Ps ready to submit to Audcom, it will be after that item on the agenda. We may
not get to it. What would be useful would be to understand just what the proposed text change to the working group P&Ps would be, and whether, in fact, the WG P&Ps (or other LMSC level document is the appropriate place.
In looking for the right section of a document to prepare, it appears that the details of CRGs are not covered at the LMSC level and are either referred up to SASB documents or down to WG Ops manuals. I have provided some background below to help you and others prepare for a discussion. -george Background: (all) 802 WG P&Ps: Comment resolution groups are not currently mentioned in the working group P&Ps. Section 11, refers to the comment resolution process, stating, “Comment resolution, recirculations, etc. should be consistent with Standards Committee ballot rules and 5.4.3.2 of the IEEE-SA Standards Board
Operations Manual (SASB OM).” I note that 5.4.3.2 of the SASB OM does not cover comment resolution. It only covers Voting on the ballot. Comments are in 5.4.3.3 of the SASB OM. This leaves the actual conduct of WG ballot comment resolution
less securely linked to the superior rules than the voting itself is, since LMSC ballot rules don’t cover comment resolution either.
Specifically regarding membership & voting in a CRG, the best I can find is that CRGs are treated as a subgroup of the working group (see SASB OM 5.4.3 below), and, as such, under section 5 of the working
group P&Ps, “Any resolution of a subgroup shall be subject to confirmation by the Working Group, unless previously or otherwise delegated to the subgroup.” Therefore, the working group voters all have the ability to overrule any resolution of the CRG. It
would seem that other than that the ballot group of a particular WG ballot might be the fixed-in-time sample of the WG membership (and the current WG membership may differ) the WG membership has the right to approve or modify any action of the CRG.
SASB OM: The SASB OM (in 5.4.3 Conduct of the standards balloting process) states: “The Standards Committee shall ensure that comment resolution occurs via a comment resolution group, which is either the Working Group
or a subgroup of the Working Group.” WG Ops Manuals CRG procedures are generally found in the individual WG ops manuals, where the working group has decided to codify them. See, for example, section 3.9 of the 802.11 ops
manual, or section 5.5 of the 802.15 ops manual. George Zimmerman, Ph.D. President & Principal CME Consulting, Inc. Experts in Advanced PHYsical Communications 310-920-3860 From: thompson@xxxxxxxx <thompson@xxxxxxxx>
George- As we discussed briefly... I would like to propose discussion of a rules change with respect to comment resolution of negative votes on Working Group Ballot. The current situation is that adoption of a comment resolution is taken by a vote of current Working Group voters participating in the vote. I believe that it is proper to change the rule because the voting body for the motion MAY be significantly different (but often is not) from the voting body for the draft. I propose that adoption of a comment resolution is taken by a vote of the members of the current draft balloting group participating in the vote (nominally
those members attending the comment resolution meeting). I would like to apply the same sort of criteria to SA ballot but I haven't fully figured out what that would be. So I am content to consider just WGB at this time. Please put this on the agenda for discussion at the rules meeting. It we get an agreement in principle then we'll draft text to go into a formally proposed change to the rules for the next
time. Best regards and sincerely, Geoff Thompson EC Member Emeritus Life Senior Member +1.540.227.0059 To unsubscribe from the STDS-802-LMSC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=STDS-802-LMSC&A=1 |