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RE: Jan 15-17 meeting. I'm confused, please help



Title: Q: Jan 15-17 meeting
Mike and others,
 
After reading the exchange below and Mike's tentative agenda, I'm a bit uncertain as to what exactly we want to achieve in the upcoming meeting. It is clear to me that significant portion of the time will (and has to) be dedicated to bringing everybody new on board. We have only two days and the question is how to we make sure that the rest of the time is used productively.
 
Let me explain what I'm mostly interested in and what I believe should be the first priority of the meeting: Requirements, Requirements, Requirements. I've been spending a lot of time in the past two months explaining to people what RPR is about. But beyond "dual-counter rotating rings", I could not say anything else in any confidence. Most people understand the issues and ask questions regarding specific capabilities. All I have now (and I believe this is all we have) is an unflushed and unsorted list of very high-level "things" that I've copied from some presentations and from the white board and it is not enough.
 
It is clear to me that the interim meeting does not make decisions and that nailing down specific requirements may take a long time, but at least I would like us to move in that direction.
 
If possible, my goal for the meeting would be to come up with a requirements list that is as specific as to be clearly understood by everyone leaving as little as possible for ambiguity or "between the lines" meaning. I expect that some issues will be controversial and I don't expect we resolve this at the meeting. Nevertheless having such concise and clear list will help us all focus and understand where we agree and where we don't. We can establish a convention on how to mark such issues.
 
Just as an illustration (I do not wish to start a debate on these):
 
Fairness: Is the intention fairness within a node or within the ring?
Congestion management/control: Is it management or control? Is it CAC based (probably not)? Do we assume buffers or not?
 
Again, these are just examples. Another outcome of such an effort will be to have one list of requirements instead of several (there are some differences between the various presentations and the list we've prepared to the 802.3).
 
What do people think? Is it the right time and important enough to focus on this in the upcoming meeting?
 
 
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-stds-802-rprsg@xxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-stds-802-rprsg@xxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Harry Peng
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 18:26
To: stds-802-rprsg
Subject: RE: Jan 15-17 meeting

Rob,
 
Thanks. I was trying to get the logistics. Here is what I read from your comments
For us to complete the standard there are many sections and sub sections to be written.
Before that can be done there are many proposal to evaluate.
Before that can be done there are the objectives and scope.
 
I propose a framework and then identify the scope and objectives....
 
Network
    single Ring
    Interconnected Rings
        Bridges and router
MAC Layer
    Data path function
        forwarding
        filtering
        error correction/detection
    Control Plane
       
    header definition
        network size
        header field definition
            customer separation
        header bit definition
    L2 functions
        Node discovery
        Fairness
        L3 interface
    L1 management I/F
        L1 control
        L1 Interfaces
            Generic Packet interface
            SONET
            SDH
            Gigabit Ethernet
            DWDM
            Digital Wrapper
 
Network Applications
    Ring interconnect
    Transparent LAN Service
    ISP
 
   
 
 
 
           
-----Original Message-----
From: RDLove [mailto:rdlove@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 5:04 PM
To: Peng, Harry [SKY:1E11:EXCH]; stds-802-rprsg
Subject: Re: Jan 15-17 meeting

Harry, here is my 2¢ on this one: I would expect us to continue to refine our detailed scope and objectives, going much further than the PAR input.  I anticipate that 802.17 will be doing a significant amount of voting at the March plenary meeting, some of which will be establishing things like objectives.  Hopefully a great deal of the work will have been done ahead of time, including at the upcoming meeting, and via email discussion. All of this work should fundamentally build on what the Study Group has previously decided, even though the Study Group's output is not binding on the decisions of the Working Group. 
 
I don't know how much time will be available at the January interim meeting to address the issue of refinement of the Scope and Objectives.  If there is time, I think the topic will fit well with the meeting's overall  focus.
 
Best regards,
 
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----- Original Message -----
From: Harry Peng
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 11:40 AM
Subject: Q: Jan 15-17 meeting

mike:

Are you gathering scope an objectives to help defining the tasks in the schedule to complete the standard?
Some of the scope were discussed in previous meetings. Now that we are a WG are we recapturing and additional detail scope

and objectives as confined in the PAR and 5 Criteria?

Regards,

Harry