Re: [rprsg] URGENT: Agenda almost ready
Mike,
The problem is that I'm estimating that we'll need about 8 hours in the
March meeting. We have a very short slot Monday morning, which will barely
get us started on discussing what we want to accomplish during the week. So
the plan was to have both evenings for about 3 hours each.
As you know, we have a lot to do in order to converge on how to proceed and
keep on running into time limits that stop us from making progress.
I was hoping that we'll get all the time we need (well ... almost all the
time we need!), and be able to get the starting-point issues resolved and
start some simulation activities in an organized, coherent fashion. We were
unable to do so in the interim last time because we ran out of time to
discuss things. As you saw, we've also been using the reflector for
discussing a lot of issues as you saw, but we need the time to be able to
make progress.
In fact, even though we didn't really close on several open issues in
January, for the benefit of the group, I've also already started some
preliminary simulations for rings of regular Ethernet switches. But I want
to make sure that we all do this type of work in an organized, coherent
fashion.
I know that I'm not making your life any easier, but I'm trying to do my
best to facilitate for the group to provide what they signed up for.
I think that we're going to have to divide the group into several adhoc
groups very soon, which will work in parallel on one of the days (like Wed)
all day. Then they can each give a report to the main group on Thursday.
This way we can all make progress and not miss the main thrust.
All that said, on behalf of the group, I'd say that we'll leave it to your
judgement. We all want what's best for the whole 802.17 WG. We believe that
we have an important part of the pie to deliver and that we need the time to
be able to do so. However, if you (as the Chair) see that you really need
the slot, and that there is no other way out, and that not doing so would
have a bigger impact on the progress of 802.17 than cutting short the perf
adhoc group, then of course we'll cooperate.
By the way, another evening for either of these activities is Wed evening
after the social (let's say at 8:30 or 9:00). Maybe this can help alleviate
the problem a little bit, if people are not opposed to having sessions at
that time.
Khaled Amer
President, AmerNet Inc.
Architecture Analysis and Performance Modeling Specialists
Address: 13711 Solitaire Way, Irvine, CA 92620
Phone: (949)552-1114 Fax: (949)552-1116
e-mail: khaledamer@xxxxxxx
Web: www.performancemodeling.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Takefman <tak@xxxxxxxxx>
To: Khaled Amer <khaledamer@xxxxxxx>; <stds-802-rprsg@xxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: [rprsg] URGENT: Agenda almost ready
> Khaled,
>
> thanks for reminding me.
>
> So you could use monday night for the adhoc or I could
> use monday night for the additional time.
>
> So I modify what I said before, one of monday or tuesday
> for continuing .17 with Perf ad-hoc meeting on the other
> day.
>
> mike
>
> Khaled Amer wrote:
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > In response to your e-mail:
> >
> > >I would like schedule a meeting on Tuesday
> > >night so that I can open up the schedule a
> > >little (allow for more discussion).
> > >I was thinking of a session from 8pm to 10:30pm.
> >
> > That was a time slot that we at the perf adhoc planned on using so that
it
> > doesn't conflict with the mainstream of 802.17, since the adhoc
participants
> > are keen on not missing any of the sessions there. So, these evening
slots
> > (Monday and Tuesday) are the only ones we could use to avoid that
conflict.
> >
> > >Please respond to the reflector with your
> > >thoughts on whether this is a good or bad idea.
> >
> > Based on that, my input is that it's a 'bad idea'!
> > :-)
> >
> > Khaled Amer
> > President, AmerNet Inc.
> > Architecture Analysis and Performance Modeling Specialists
> > Address: 13711 Solitaire Way, Irvine, CA 92620
> > Phone: (949)552-1114 Fax: (949)552-1116
> > e-mail: khaledamer@xxxxxxx
> > Web: www.performancemodeling.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Mike Takefman <tak@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <stds-802-rprsg@xxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 9:28 PM
> > Subject: [rprsg] URGENT: Agenda almost ready
> >
> > >
> > > People,
> > >
> > > I've got a preliminary agenda pulled together, but
> > > it is really tight. Here is the rough view,
> > > we work from 8 am to 6 pm each day.
> > >
> > > Monday AM Parallel sessions
> > > - Performance Ad-Hoc
> > > - Introduction to RPR for new antendees
> > >
> > > Monday Afternoon
> > > - administrivia
> > > - end-user presentations
> > >
> > > Tuesday
> > > - Overall Scope / Objectives / Requirements
> > > - Resiliency Objectives
> > > - Interoperability Requirements
> > >
> > > Wednesday
> > > - Bandwidth Management
> > > - Simulation Results
> > > - Action Items from previous meetings
> > >
> > > Thursday
> > > - Perf Adhoc Report
> > > - Voting Rights Administration
> > > - Election of Officers
> > > - Motions on Objectives
> > > - Planning the next meeting
> > >
> > > I've had to cut people's presentations a little
> > > to include time for questions. This will force people
> > > to be concise :) I.E. a 30 minute presention is
> > > 24 minutes to talk and 6 minutes of questions.
> > >
> > > I would like schedule a meeting on tuesday
> > > night so that I can open up the schedule a
> > > little (allow for more discussion).
> > >
> > > Right now there are not many tutorials scheduled
> > > so I think we will not conflict at all.
> > >
> > > I was thinking of a session from 8pm to 10:30pm.
> > >
> > > Please respond to the reflector with your
> > > thoughts on whether this is a good or bad idea.
> > >
> > > I will send out the current schedule to all
> > > presenters tonight to make sure that I did not
> > > miss anyone. If you did not see a message from
> > > me with a pdf of the schedule then I missed you
> > > so yell.
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > >
> > > mike
> > >
> > > --
> > > Michael Takefman tak@xxxxxxxxx
> > > Manager HW Engineering, Cisco Systems
> > > Chair IEEE 802.17 Stds WG
> > > 2000 Innovation Dr, Ottawa, Canada, K2K 3E8
> > > voice: 613-271-3399 fax: 613-271-4867
>
> --
> Michael Takefman tak@xxxxxxxxx
> Manager HW Engineering, Cisco Systems
> Chair IEEE 802.17 Stds WG
> 2000 Innovation Dr, Ottawa, Canada, K2K 3E8
> voice: 613-271-3399 fax: 613-271-4867