Re: [802SEC] +++10-day EC Motion+++ Approval of submissions for ITU-R WP

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i vote approve.

all - the ballot is scheduled through thursday, fyi,

thanks

jay

From: Stanley, Dorothy <dorothy.stanley@hpe.com>

Date: Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++10-day EC Motion+++ Approval of submissions for ITU-R WP 5A liaisons on recommendations M-1450 and M-1801
To: Jay Holcomb <jholcomb@ieee.org>
Cc: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org <STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org>

Hello Jay,

I vote approve.

Dorothy

On Oct 13, 2021, at 11:11 PM, Jay Holcomb <jholcomb@ieee.org> wrote:

hi Roger,

been working on your questions, please see below for some explanations.

(1) 18-21-0117-03 includes extensive markups to the existing M.1801-2, but most (nearly all) of these are NOT original; they were included in the last Working Document. As a result, it's very difficult for anyone [whether in 802 or in ITU] to determine exactly what is being proposed by 802 here, to review it, and to incorporate it. The changes should be indicated with respect to a specific baseline (e.g., M-1801-2, or a clean copy of the Working Document). If there is a reason for the proposed format, I'm willing to hear it.

=== as noted there have been several submissions on these 2 recommendations over the past year+. at this point after the last submissions, they were noted by WPW 5A and not acted upon. with them not acted upon, these submissions need to be markups back to the original ITU-R M.1450-5 (2014) and ITU-R M.1801-2 (2013) as is indicated in the introduction and discussion of each of these documents. so at this point nothing from the previous contributions has been adopted, why the full markups.

(2) It seems that the situation is similar with 18-21-0116-03 and M.1450.

=== as above.

(3) The introductory paragraph to 18-21-0117-03 should follow the template of 18-21-0116-03.

=== when i compare they look the same, considering one is for M.1450 and the other is for M.1801.

all:

***** i see it, the links in the motion got split when i updated to rev03 and when i checked them before sending i got lucky and hit the right ½. apologies for the split links. corrected links:

•       Motion: Move to approve documents https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/21/18-21-0117-03-0000-proposed-modifications-to-itu-r-m-1801-2.docx and https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/21/18-21-0116-03-0000-proposed-modifications-to-itu-r-m-1450-5.docx for ITU-R M.1450-5 and M.1801-2 updated edits, respectively. For review and approval for submission to ITU-R WP 5A via ITU-R Liaison before contribution deadline for WP 5A’s next meeting. The Chair of 802.18 is authorized to make editorial changes as necessary.

(4) I don't understand "This EC motion is per IEEE 802 OM 7.2.1 Procedure, P&P 7.1 b) (majority response) and P&P 7.1.2 (2/3 approval of votes cast) for communication with government bodies and public statements." Could you please check the section numbers [does "7.1 b)" mean "7.1.1"?] Also, it seems to say that approval requires both majority and 2/3. What is the result is in between?

=== this came up a few years back when Ben asked a question how many needed to respond and some research was done with the question that drove to these clauses and what i have put in ballots ever sense so if others have questions again, then this is where i was pointed to before. i looked up and compared to the latest LMSC P&P (2021) that has been updated since and no changes from back then. 7.1 b) in the P&P ends with “… provided a majority of all the Voting Members of the Sponsor responded”. hence only need a majority to respond. and from the previous discussions P&P 7.1.2 has 2/3 approval for public statements, so following that it takes 2/3 approval of votes cast.

if these answer your questions, then maybe there are no changes needed in the 2 submissions?

thanks

jay

From: Roger Marks <r.b.marks@ieee.org>
Date: Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++10-day EC Motion+++ Approval of submissions for ITU-R WP 5A liaisons on recommendations M-1450 and M-1801
To: <STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org>, Jay Holcomb <jholcomb@ieee.org>

Jay,

I vote Disapprove, with comments:

(1) 18-21-0117-03 includes extensive markups to the existing M.1801-2, but most (nearly all) of these are NOT original; they were included in the last Working Document. As a result, it's very difficult for anyone [whether in 802 or in ITU] to determine exactly what is being proposed by 802 here, to review it, and to incorporate it. The changes should be indicated with respect to a specific baseline (e.g., M-1801-2, or a clean copy of the Working Document). If there is a reason for the proposed format, I'm willing to hear it.

(2) It seems that the situation is similar with 18-21-0116-03 and M.1450.

(3) The introductory paragraph to 18-21-0117-03 should follow the template of 18-21-0116-03.

(4) I don't understand "This EC motion is per IEEE 802 OM 7.2.1 Procedure, P&P 7.1 b) (majority response) and P&P 7.1.2 (2/3 approval of votes cast) for communication with government bodies and public statements." Could you please check the section numbers [does "7.1 b)" mean "7.1.1"?] Also, it seems to say that approval requires both majority and 2/3. What is the result is in between?

Cheers,

Roger

On Oct 10, 2021, 10:19 PM -0600, Jay Holcomb <jholcomb@ieee.org>, wrote:

Dear LMSC/EC Members,

With this email I would like to announce the start of an LMSC(EC) ballot on submissions to ITU-R WP 5A in response to two liaisons for recommendations M-1450 and M-1801. This is a continuation of prior submissions done over the past year or so.

Paul has delegated to me to conduct a LMSC(EC) 10-day electronic ballot on the motion below to approve the submissions to ITU-R WP 5A. This EC motion is per IEEE 802 OM 7.2.1 Procedure, P&P 7.1 b) (majority response) and P&P 7.1.2 (2/3 approval of votes cast) for communication with government bodies and public statements.

•      Motion: Move to approve documents https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/21/18-21-0116-03-0000-proposed-modifications-to-itu-r-m-1450-5.docx and https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/21/18-21-0117-03-0000-proposed-modifications-to-itu-r-m-1801-2.docx for ITU-R M.1450-5 and M.1801-2 updated edits, respectively. For review and approval for submission to ITU-R WP 5A via ITU-R Liaison before contribution deadline for WP 5A’s next meeting. The Chair of 802.18 is authorized to make editorial changes as necessary.

Approved in the RR-TAG: _13_ / _0_ / _0_ (07oct21)

Mover:     Jay Holcomb (Itron)

Seconder: Dorothy Stanley (HPE)

Start of ballot: 11 October2021, monday

Close of ballot: 21 October2021, thursday

Reference information

The liaisons

·         https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/21/18-21-0057-00-0000-request-for-input-itu-r-m-1450-5.docx

·         https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/21/18-21-0058-00-0000-request-for-input-itu-r-m-1801-2.docx

ITU-R WP 5A next meeting:

·         Working Party 5A (WP 5A) - Land mobile service above 30 MHz* (excluding IMT); wireless access in the fixed service; amateur and amateur-satellite services

·         WP 5A next meeting is 15-26nov21

·         Deadline for contribution 1600 hours UTC Monday, 8 November 2021

IEEE 802 last submissions on these recommendations (oct2020)

·         https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/20/18-20-0135-01-0000-itu-ahg-m-1450-5-updated-edits.docx

·         https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/20/18-20-0136-01-0000-itu-ahg-m-1801-2-updated-edits.docx

Regards,

Jay Holcomb

Liberty Lake (Spokane), WA

Itron, Inc.

IEEE 802.18 Chair

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