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[STDS-802-11-CAC] Notes from CAC2 telecon

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2018-01-08 CAC2 telecon

1.       Present

a.       Adrian Stephens (chair)

b.      Donald Eastlake

c.       Dorothy Stanley

d.      Jiamin Chen

e.      Jim Lansford

f.        Jon Rosdahl

g.       Jonathan Segev

h.      Joe Levy

i.         Mark Hamilton

j.        Minyoung Park

k.       Nikola Serafimovski

l.         Peter Ecclesine

m.    Stephen McCann

n.      Yonggang Fang

o.      Osama Aboul-Magd

p.      Edward Au

q.      Lei Wang

r.        Robert Stacey

2.       Actions from CAC1

a.       “Adrian talk to Steve Shellhammer about 802.11ah / 802.15 – potentially to brief WG”

Adrian,

 

                The people who brought up the issue in November said they would bring in a presentation to the January meeting.

 

                It will be in one of the 802.19 WG time slots. When we have the detailed agenda in January we will know which time slot.

 

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

3.       Review status of projects “of special interest”

a.       TGaj

                                                               i.      On RevCom agenda for Jan telecon

b.      TGak

                                                               i.      Completed balloting process.

                                                             ii.      Working on RevCom package

                                                            iii.      Expect report approved in Irvine by WG

                                                           iv.      EC email ballot 10 day early close

                                                             v.      26th Jan deadline for March RevCom

                                                           vi.      16th March deadline for April 26th RevCom telecon

c.       TGaq

                                                               i.      Received 14 comments from last recirc ballot – little convergence with commenters apparent

                                                             ii.      All comments from RAC and one other voter related to MAC address randomization

                                                            iii.      Will follow process – resolve comments.  Recirc.

                                                           iv.      Will seek EC approval in March meeting – this is the gate.

                                                             v.      Will discuss more radical alternative solutions in the TG.

                                                           vi.      Will need to assume a waiver is needed from the EC.  TG will prepare waiver documentation.  We have no precedent for a waiver.  The waiver will present current state of art in TGaq vs comment.  Approval in TGaq, WG, EC.

d.      TGay

                                                               i.      Ballot completed – failed narrowly

/WG

BallotID

OpeningDate

Dur (d)

Ballot Close Date

Title

BallotType

Pool

Approve

Disapprove

Invalid

Abstain

Return

%Return

%Abstain

%Approve

comments

TGay

231

2017-11-24

44

2018-01-07

IEEE P802.11ay Draft 1.0 Technical

Technical

288

147

51

1

31

230

79.86

13.48

74.24

1343

 

                                                             ii.      20 voters will lose voting rights through missing or invalid response

                                                            iii.      1 participant has comments they didn’t upload – Ming Gan.

1.       Adrian will provide additional comments in a capsule in a few days.

                                                           iv.      Mark’s email:

Adrian, All,

 

Is anybody else disturbed by how close this vote came to passing?  Not to pick on 11ay in any way! This is just the most recent example of this issue.  But, it seems we have a clear case of a “problem” with our voting rules, when we are 2 votes away from passing a document that is completely and explicitly missing the text for at least 3 (or 4) clauses.  (In this case, clause 6, and Annexes B and C and arguably G.)

 

I know we’ve talked about this issue of “blind/forced yes” voting before, but it seems we never actually conclude those discussions.

 

I’m fine with putting documents out for a vote, to get formal about the process of input/comments/etc.  Or, maybe we should be better about using Comment Collection for this sort of thing.  I can see a number of options.  But, when the vote almost passes (or in some past cases I think did actually pass, with similar gaps), it seems like we need to take a step back and talk about this again.

 

Thoughts?

 

Mark

 

e.      TGaz – PAR modification

                                                               i.      On Nescom Agenda for Jan 26th.

f.        AANI – proposal for (S)RIT – Joe

                                                               i.      What level of involvement?   Have a draft.   Have few actively involved.

                                                             ii.      Who would represent the proposal in WP5D? 

                                                            iii.      Inform/Invite other 802 groups to participate

4.       Review Agenda

5.       Review Graphic

6.       Status of snapshots (Dorothy)

7.       Logistics update (Jon)

a.       Hotel block full.

b.      Discount available on overflow hotel.

8.       Round table

a.       TGmd discussion related to removal of features and security during Tuesday pm1.

b.      1 presentation for WNG so far.

c.       WG11 OM 3.4,   open floor for nominations in the March Monday opening plenary.

d.      802.11ba D0.1 availability?   When source material available.  Perhaps Jan.

e.      DMG OFDM removal, TGay will provide input to TGmd, based on TGay meeting Monday am2.

-- 
Best Regards,

Adrian Stephens
IEEE 802.11 Working Group Chair
mailto: adrian.p.stephens@xxxxxxxx
Phone: +1 (971) 203-2032
Phone: +447342178905
Skype: adrian_stephens
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