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All, The annotated agenda from our call today is below. Thanks to everyone for their comments. Dorothy =========================== 2020-05-04 802.11 CAC-5 for March 2020 – July 2020
1.
Present
a.
Dorothy Stanley
b.
Jim Lansford
c.
Lei Wang
d.
Mark Hamilton
e.
Mark Rison
f.
Stephen McCann
g.
Osama Aboul-Magd
h.
Tony Han
i.
Bo Sun
j.
Peter Ecclesine
k.
Jon Rosdahl
l.
Robert Stacey
m.
Minyoung Park
n.
Hassan Yaghoobi
o.
Edward Au
p.
Stuart Kerry
q.
Nikola Serafimovski
r.
Jonathan Segev
s.
Joseph Levy
t.
Alfred Asterjadhi
u.
Carol Ansley
2.
Meeting status
a.
July meeting cancelled
b.
WG officer elections TBD pending EC rules changes.
c.
Sept Interim in Atlanta; no changes currently planned, monitoring border status; Wireless Chairs meeting next week
d.
November plenary (Bangkok); April 15 room block size reduction changes made
e.
January 2021 – Hotel Irvine is confirmed (New Orleans contract not successful)
f.
Stephen McCann gathering all teleconference dates, see
https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/20/11-20-0632
i. Please confirm the dates – let Stephen know of any errors
g.
Now using IMAT to record attendance on teleconferences, Jon to send list of attendees to subgroup chair, secretary after each call.
3.
802 EC meetings – March meetings Monday 16th and Friday 20th held ; EC teleconferences scheduled for April 7, 21, May 5
a.
SENS SG
i. SENS SG – WG vote required to approve PAR/CSD. Approved. EC notification sent:
http://www.ieee802.org/secmail/msg24497.html
ii. The SENS SG was initially approved by the EC in November 2019, and is chartered from Plenary to Plenary, the SG is still chartered until the planned July Plenary (next plenary).
Conclusion: no re-chartering needed until 802 July Plenary.
iii. Re: the SASB 6 month extension, a 6 month extension is be needed by May 15, 2020 (November 15, 2019 to May 15, 2020).
Conclusion: Request First SENS SG extension on May 5th EC teleconference. – agenda request made
iv. SENS SG – WG vote required to approve PAR/CSD. Approved. EC notification sent:
http://www.ieee802.org/secmail/msg24497.html
b.
RCM SG – WG formation approved in January 2020. Extension request;
i. EC approval to form SG – At April 7th
ii. Chartered until July, request first rechartering then; first extension at October EC teleconference).
iii. 802.1 – include the 802.1 email on all of the RCM email announcements
c.
Any other items for the EC?
i. P802.11ax PAR extension – currently expires in 2020. Target: EC approval in July 2020. Notify the EC by June 12th. WGLB prior to June 12th.
ii. P802.11ba PAR extension – currently expires in 2020. Target: EC approval in July 2020. Notify the EC by June 12th. WGLB prior to June 12th.
d.
EC – What are the plans at the EC for telecon process – EC rules committee discussing changes.
4.
Ballot Status, see http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/11/
a.
P802.11bd D0.3 Comment collection closed – 360 comments
b.
P802.11ax PAR extension - Ballot open, closes May 8th.
c.
P802.11ba PAR extension - Ballot open, closes May 8th.
d.
WFA ballot closed, results notified to WFA. Also sent the comments received. Robert to mark values as assigned.
5.
Teleconferences –Robert
a.
Teleconference tools:
i. Access to join.me ended April 30, 2020. Transition join.me mtgs to IEEE webex.
ii. 802 purchased Webex (4 seats) – current contract through August 2020. EC reviewing new Webex contract. 802 Zoom?
iii. New meetings in future use SA webex (hostkey only, not username/pwd to start call)
iv. Platform (webex, zoom) column removed from the telecom summary, in the calendar on the 802.11 website
v. Issue in IMAT for calls that transition days; show last hour of the day, log attendance in the first portion of the call.
vi. How to add missing attendance? In f2f, have breaks. If mtg back to back, cannot add. Overhead of manual add is not high.
6.
Discuss: proposal to Enable Motions on WG11 Task Group teleconference calls
a)
There is no prohibition to Task Group teleconference motions in the 802, 802 WG P&P documents.
b)
In our WG P&P (see 3.11 in
https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/14/11-14-0629-22-0000-802-11-operations-manual.docx ), Task Group motions are taken during
an 802.11 session, and all 802.11 voters present at the meeting constitute the allowed voters.
c)
Motions on teleconferences except under the accelerated process are prohibited, see 8.2 in 11-14-629r22:
d)
The WG chair determines process, subject to WG ability to overrule. Proposal:
I propose the following to be effective immediately, for the duration of time until WG11 is
================================== Comments:
1.
Allow enough time for offline discussion after the motion is on the floor.
2.
Agree that time for discussion is needed. Post motions ahead of time. Or moved at the meeting and then result recorded later (not preferred).
3.
Tool allows for easy recording of votes; Suggest using all the time, even for unanimous.
4.
If announce meeting 10 days ahead of time, at <x> days ahead announce the draft motions.
5.
Does the attendance at a voting teleconference meeting count towards voting rights? No
6.
Just talking about TG votes. At this point Yes.
7.
What about WG11 plenary? EC rules interpretation may allow WG meetings via telecon.
8.
10-day, notice of the meeting? Announcement of the meeting and the draft motion text? Call to edit motion text, and separate call for the motions themselves?
9.
None of motions held 11pm-6am anywhere in the world.
10.
Why not all electronic voting? Why is in the teleconference needed?
11.
Prefer list of motions published with the teleconference announcement. Some wording changes but no new motions. No surprises.
12.
TGs announce motions for F2F meetings. Text sufficient.
13.
Look at the ETSI remote consensus process, necessary to have a second process to come back and made changes
a.
ETSI Remote Consensus procedure e.g., ETSI RemBRAN(20)DEC046 has just started, with 1 available contribution.
b.
0 comments.
c.
RAISING COMMENTS AND OPPOSITIONS is ALLOWED until Monday 2020-05-18 at midnight.
d.
RC Description: Dear TC BRAN, the request for comments period regarding BRAN(20)105002r6 ended. Assuming that TC BRAN members are satisfied with the minutes of BRAN meeting #105,
this remote consensus measuring asks for approval of the minutes.
14.
The only issue I see with remote consensus - is that 802 does not use consensus based decision making, we vote. So while I like the idea of having a clean-up period after a motion,
but I don't know if remote consensus will work well for us.
15.
Apply to SGs and Standing committees? 75% required for all motions in SG/SC. TBD
16.
What happens if there is a motion to amend? Motion to amend held, voted on, vote recorded.
17.
Concerned when members change affiliations.
18.
How do new members gain voting rights? EC issue for discussion.
19.
Support Remote consensus concept and process.
20.
Re: Timing – no weekend times.
21.
Need WG meetings – allocation of ANA bits would have benefitted from WG discussion. WG discussion beneficial.
22.
Does not apply to CRC calls.
23.
This is in ADDITION to electronic balloting.
24.
“I would suggest adding a definition of "Electronic TG meeting" so as to distinguish it from "Meeting and Participation" in 4.6.2 and "Teleconferences" in 4.6.3.”
a.
Response: Change “electronic meetings” to “teleconferences”
25.
Can you please clarify what you understand by "Electronic TG meetings"? It sounds to me as if you mean teleconferences.
If so, this proposal seems rather suboptimal to me, in that it will disenfranchise a third of the globe (specifically Asia or Europe, since teleconferences are in practice essentially always run at times
that are not too inconvenient for North America).
a.
Response: Teleconferences with motions at select times only: 9am Eastern?
General comments: Portions of this proposal are similar to the process that 802.3 has been using, see 3.4.2 in
http://ieee802.org/3/rules/P802_3_rules.pdf, which applies to drafts that are substantially complete, i.e. accelerated process.
”Electronic meetings shall only consider motions to progress a draft and only when balloting is substantially complete. Electronic meetings that will consider motions
shall be approved by the WG Chair prior to the meeting announcement.” If successful, this mechanism for TG teleconference motions can be made permanent (via WG motion to amend the WG11 Operations Manual).
7.
Adjourn
8.
CAC meetings – every 2 weeks, schedule with 10 day advance notice. Noon Eastern.
a.
Monday May 18
b.
June 1, 15, 29
c.
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