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HI Adrian, I have to admit I am uncomfortable in that the DensiFy members will effectively face zero consequences as a result of their 3 years(?) of activity that has been investigated and reported as acting against the rules and interests of 802.11. It is quite obvious that what will happen is that we will see all the DensiFy companies send in their letters so that by the next meeting it will be business as usual. As such there will be zero consequences for these companies and, I am sure, not even an apology. Your ruling was as follows: Question: how does being in special measures affect the ballot group (also known as the voter pool)? Answer: It doesn’t. The ballot group will consist of the voting members of 802.11 at the time of the start of the initial WG ballot and remain frozen until the end of the recirculation series. I interpret the word “treat” in the instruction in the approved remedy (“treat the vote of all individuals affiliated with DensiFi SIG members as a single vote”) to relate to the act of counting the votes. So the voter pool is individuals and their Letter Ballot votes count without any regard to whether they are affiliated to a DensiFy company. That is fine. When comments are resolved, however, motions on the resolutions are subject to the "single vote" rule. If, however, each company has by then sent in its letter of withdrawal from the SIG, then each member can vote unhindered. I can appreciate that this is in line with EC ruling but again I ask "where is the punishment?" As the "single vote" rule did not come into effect until after San Antonio, and by the time we assemble in Atlanta I predict DensiFy will have disbanded, there will be zero consequences for the misdeeds of DensiFy. As the voter pool was effectively fixed for this draft, there is a case to be made that until D1.0 has completed comment resolution, the "single vote" rule should stay in effect - irrespective of whether the company has "withdrawn" from DensiFy. In my particular case, I complained about dominance with respect to the Spatial Reuse part of 11ax. Having 'endeared' myself to the powerful and numerous members of the SIG, I ask myself do I once again place myself in the position of yet again presenting and explaining the benefits of my spatial reuse scheme (and possibly pointing out the problems of those in the draft) only to be voted down by a block? I can call for a recorded vote, maybe even ask for separated recorded votes, ex-DensiFy on one side, and non-DensiFy on the other side, but that will not change the result. Reaching out has proved completely fruitless. I have not made a secret of it, but the way I have been treated by this group over the last 2 years, at numerous meetings, has caused such frustration that has not been good for my health, so this is not a light matter. I would like to hear the opinions of others, for example: · Is it OK that having not had any hindrance in producing a D1.0, DensiFy, and having been shown to have participated in behavior against the interests and rules of 802.11, will suffer no consequences for their actions? (This of course assumes that each member of DensiFy will submit its letter before Atlanta – would be very surprised if they do not) · Should the past DensiFy members be subjected to the ‘single vote’ limit until the end of the D1.0 comment resolution? · Any other ideas? Thank you Graham -----Original Message----- --- This message came from the IEEE 802.11 Working Group Reflector --- And a reminder that my interpretation of the implementation of the special measures applied to 802.11ax is available here: https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/16/11-16-1568-01-0000-interpretation-of-special-measures.doc In particular, 802.11 voting members need to respond to the ballot by the end of the recirculation series or they may lose their voting rights. This is regardless of whether they are subject to special measures in part or all of the ballot series. Best Regards, Adrian Stephens IEEE 802.11 Working Group Chair mailto: adrian.p.stephens@xxxxxxxx Phone: +1 (971) 203-2032 Skype: adrian_stephens On 01/12/2016 19:16, Adrian Stephens wrote: > IEEE 802.11(TM) Letter Ballot 225 > > To: IEEE 802.11 Voters, > > With this email, the 802.11 Working Group is officially beginning WG > Technical Letter Ballot 225 (LB225), which is a Letter Ballot on the > question "Should P802.11ax D1.0 be forwarded to Sponsor Ballot?". > > > This Letter Ballot opens Thu Dec 01, 2016 at 23:59 Eastern Time USA > (11:59PM) and will close 30 days later on Sat Dec 31, 2016 at 23:59 > Eastern Time USA (11:59pm). All necessary documents are available in > the instructions that can be found on the IEEE 802.11 web site at > http://www.ieee802.org/11/LetterBallots/LB225ax/LB225_instructions.html. > > Important: > o This is a 30-day Technical letter ballot and the ballot group > (i.e., those that may vote) for this ballot is all IEEE 802.11 voter > members as of the start of this letter ballot. > o All current voter members of 802.11 are required to vote on this > ballot series. > o If you cast a "Do not approve" vote on this ballot, it must be > accompanied by comments for your vote to be valid. > o You must follow these instructions to vote. Do not send an email > to vote. Voting by any method other than the web-based process > described here will invalidate your vote. > o Failure to follow these instructions will result in your vote > being discarded as an invalid vote. > o Not voting on a letter ballot series or sending an invalid vote > can affect your voting privileges. > o The draft is password protected in accordance with IEEE 802 > Policies and Procedures. To obtain the draft, use the username and > the password supplied to active members for the 802.11 WG private area. > > > (The attached file contains a reminder set for 4 days before the close > of the ballot. You may find it helpful to import this into or open > this with your calendar client in order to get an automated reminder.) > > Thank you for participating in Letter Ballot 225. > > Adrian Stephens, IEEE 802.11 Working Group Chair > E-mail: Adrian.P.Stephens@xxxxxxxx > > Osama Aboul-Magd, IEEE 802.11 TGax Chair > E-mail: Osama.AboulMagd@xxxxxxxxxx > _______________________________________________________________________________ If you wish to be removed from this reflector, do not send your request to this reflector - it will have no effect. Instead, go to http://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=STDS-802-11 and then press the LEAVE button. If there is no LEAVE button here, try http://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=STDS-802-11-RO. 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