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Re: [STDS-802-11] IEEE 802.11 Mandatory Technical Letter Ballot 225 for P802.11ax Draft 1.0 Starts Today



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Hi Jon,

Thanks for your reply. A couple of comments still:

1.       We agreed to a 30-day review on November 11. The draft came out on December 1st. If the ballot period had opened earlier (say the week after the meeting), the issue would not have arisen. We signed a bit of a blank check by agreeing to a 30-day period without knowing when it would start. 30 days starting Nov 18 is not the same as 30 days starting Dec 1st.

2.       A 30-day review period usually implies four working weeks – give or take a few days. If the discrepancy is too high, I believe this should be taken into account. If not now – then at least going forward.

3.       I know of at least one instance where the ballot period was changed by the WG chair (see attached email). In that case, it was a technical glitch that would have prevented some people from having access to the full review period. Regardless, this precedent would indicate that the WG chair has the authority to extend the ballot period if conditions warrant it.

 

I’m not making this request lightly. We should respect the relevant procedures. Nevertheless, I believe the current ballot period has some exceptional circumstances to it. The question is how the interest of the TG is best served. I believe an extra week is beneficial to everyone, without interfering with the goal to finish the LB by the January meeting.

 

Regards,

 

Sigurd

 

From: *** IEEE stds-802-11 List *** [mailto:STDS-802-11@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jon Rosdahl
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 8:19 AM
To: STDS-802-11@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11] IEEE 802.11 Mandatory Technical Letter Ballot 225 for P802.11ax Draft 1.0 Starts Today

 

--- This message came from the IEEE 802.11 Working Group Reflector ---

HI Graham and Sigurd, while I am sympathetic to your concerns, I would point out that the TG and WG voted and determined to have a 30 day LB.

It would not be permissible to arbitrarily change the end date contrary to what the WG and TG voted for. (I would also note it was unanimous in November).

FWIW,

Jon


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On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 9:14 AM, gsmith <gsmith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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I  agree with Sigurd
Thanks
Graham


-----Original Message-----
From: *** IEEE stds-802-11 List *** [mailto:STDS-802-11@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sigurd Schelstraete
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 2:27 PM
To: STDS-802-11@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11] IEEE 802.11 Mandatory Technical Letter Ballot 225 for P802.11ax Draft 1.0 Starts Today

--- This message came from the IEEE 802.11 Working Group Reflector ---

Adrian,
This letter ballot period completely overlaps with the December holiday period. This will significantly reduce the de facto time that people will have available for review to well below 30 days. Given that this is the first WG ballot of 11ax, I believe more time is needed to give everyone a fair chance at doing a full review. I would like to request to leave the ballot period open till January 6th. This still leaves a full week before the start of the January meeting.

Thanks for your consideration,

Sigurd

-----Original Message-----
From: *** IEEE stds-802-11 List *** [mailto:STDS-802-11@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adrian Stephens
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 11:17 AM
To: STDS-802-11@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [STDS-802-11] IEEE 802.11 Mandatory Technical Letter Ballot 225 for P802.11ax Draft 1.0 Starts Today

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IEEE 802.11(TM) Letter Ballot 225

To: IEEE 802.11 Voters,

With this email, the 802.11 Working Group is officially beginning WG Technical Letter Ballot 225 (LB225), which is a Letter Ballot on the question "Should P802.11ax D1.0 be forwarded to Sponsor Ballot?".


This Letter Ballot opens Thu Dec 01, 2016 at 23:59 Eastern Time USA
(11:59PM) and will close 30 days later on Sat Dec 31, 2016 at 23:59 Eastern Time USA (11:59pm). All necessary documents are available in the instructions that can be found on the IEEE 802.11 web site at http://www.ieee802.org/11/LetterBallots/LB225ax/LB225_instructions.html.

Important:
o    This is a 30-day Technical letter ballot and the ballot group
(i.e., those that may vote) for this ballot is all IEEE 802.11 voter members as of the start of this letter ballot.
o    All current voter members of 802.11 are required to vote on this
ballot series.
o    If you cast a "Do not approve" vote on this ballot, it must be
accompanied by comments for your vote to be valid.
o    You must follow these instructions to vote. Do not send an email to
vote. Voting by any method other than the web-based process described here will invalidate your vote.
o    Failure to follow these instructions will result in your vote being
discarded as an invalid vote.
o    Not voting on a letter ballot series or sending an invalid vote can
affect your voting privileges.
o    The draft is password protected in accordance with IEEE 802
Policies and Procedures.  To obtain the draft, use the username and the password supplied to active members for the 802.11 WG private area.


(The attached file contains a reminder set for 4 days before the close of the ballot.  You may find it helpful to import this into or open this with your calendar client in order to get an automated reminder.)

Thank you for participating in Letter Ballot 225.

Adrian Stephens, IEEE 802.11   Working Group Chair
E-mail: Adrian.P.Stephens@xxxxxxxx

Osama Aboul-Magd, IEEE 802.11 TGax Chair
E-mail: Osama.AboulMagd@xxxxxxxxxx


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Dear 802.11 members,

If you are participating in the 802.11 (revision mc) ballot group,  the current (second) recirculation sponsor ballot has been extended.  The close date is 30th June.   The reason is shown below.

Best Regards,

Adrian P STEPHENS

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From: IEEE-SA [mailto:sa-ballot@xxxxxxxx]
Sent: 15 June 2016 15:31
Subject: The dates of the Sponsor Ballot for P802.11 have been modified

To: undisclosed-recipients:;
...
[Adrian P Stephens]
Subject: The dates of the Sponsor Ballot for P802.11 have been modified


This notification is to advise you that the dates of the sponsor ballot for P802.11 Standard for Information technology--Telecommunications and information exchange between systems Local and metropolitan area networks--Specific requirements Part 11: Wireless LAN Medium Access Control (MAC) and Physical Layer (PHY) Specifications have been modified as shown below:

Ballot Close Date: 30-Jun-2016

Reason:
Due to the random lack of email delivery of the 802.11 REVmc recirculation notification on Friday, 10 June related to an IEEE email incident, the Working Group chair has authorized this ballot extension.


Thank you.

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