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Re: [STDS-802-16] +++Voting Process on Approval of P802.16-REVd/D5 Recirculation Comments Now Open; Deadline of 5 June



Please consider the comments of Tal Kaitz as also withdrawn.

The only comments remaining to vote upon are the following:

Nico van Waes           Comment 380
Lalit Kotecha           Comment 435

Roger


>Please consider the comments of Changhoi Koo as also withdrawn.
>
>By my count, the only comments remaining to vote upon are the following,
>
>Tal Kaitz               Comment 412 and Comment 414
>Nico van Waes           Comment 380
>Lalit Kotecha           Comment 435
>
>Roger
>
>
>>Based on statements from Raja Banerjea, Itzik Kitroser, and Yigal
>>Leiba, their comments are withdrawn. You need not vote on those,
>>because they will be marked as Withdrawn regardless of the totals.
>>
>>Remaining under consideration are comments from the following:
>>
>>Tal Kaitz                2
>>Cor van de Water         3
>>Nico van Waes            1
>>Changhoi Koo            68
>>Lalit Kotecha           14
>>Wonil Roh               25
>>
>>Seung Joo Maeng suggested the withdrawal of comments 405 and 426,
>>and possibly 470, 474, and 543 as well. However, I have not
>>received a formal withdrawal from the submitter of those comments.
>>Therefore, you should plan to cast a vote on these.
>>
>>Roger
>>
>>
>>At 11:58 -0600 04/06/04, Gordon Antonello wrote:
>>>Thanks to all on this one.  There are ways to clean the ERRATA via
>>>the TGe process.
>>>
>>>Gordon
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Ken Stanwood [mailto:kstanwood@cygnuscom.com]
>>>Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 10:28 AM
>>>To: STDS-802-16@listserv.ieee.org
>>>Subject: Re: [STDS-802-16] +++Voting Process on Approval of
>>>P802.16-REVd/D5 Recirculation Comments Now Open; Deadline of 5 June
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks Itzik and Yigal,
>>>
>>>This will help get the document approved in a timely fashion.
>>>
>>>Ken
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: owner-stds-802-16@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
>>>[mailto:owner-stds-802-16@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG] On Behalf Of Itzik Kitroser
>>>Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 10:12 AM
>>>To: STDS-802-16@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
>>>Subject: Re: [STDS-802-16] +++Voting Process on Approval of P802.16-REVd/D5
>>>Recirculation Comments Now Open; Deadline of 5 June
>>>
>>>Dear all,
>>>
>>>I would like also to withdraw all my comments.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>Itzik.
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: owner-stds-802-16@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
>>>[mailto:owner-stds-802-16@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG] On Behalf Of Yigal Leiba
>>>Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 7:05 PM
>>>To: STDS-802-16@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
>>>Subject: Re: [STDS-802-16] +++Voting Process on Approval of
>>>P802.16-REVd/D5 Recirculation Comments Now Open; Deadline of 5 June
>>>
>>>Hi Roger, all,
>>>
>>>After reading the possibilities below, I am convinced that there are
>>>ways to
>>>correct the errors I identified in rev-D5, such that publication is not
>>>delayed.
>>>I would therefore request the BRC voters to reject all my comments.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>Yigal
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: owner-stds-802-16@listserv.ieee.org
>>>[mailto:owner-stds-802-16@listserv.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Roger B. Marks
>>>Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:59 PM
>>>To: STDS-802-16@listserv.ieee.org
>>>Subject: Re: [STDS-802-16] +++Voting Process on Approval of
>>>P802.16-REVd/D5
>>>Recirculation Comments Now Open; Deadline of 5 June
>>>
>>>
>>>David,
>>>
>>>On one hand, I wouldn't worry that the 16e PAR scope prohibits us
>>>from making corrections that are not directly related to mobility.
>>>According to IEEE-SA, an amendment is "a document that has to contain
>>>new material to an existing IEEE standard and that may contain
>>>substantive corrections to that standard as well." In my experience,
>>>IEEE-SA allow errata in an amendment, even when it isn't explicit in
>>>the PAR scope. For example, 802.16a corrected errors in 802.16-2001.
>>>Also, we are proposing to modify the 16e PAR and could easily add a
>>>sentence about errata. Let's consider that as alternative (1).
>>>
>>>On the other hand, I do see merits in your arguments. I would suggest
>>>that we consider the following two alternatives:
>>>
>>>(2) Add errata to the scope of the upcoming MIB PAR that we agreed on
>>>in Shenzhen. That would make a lot of sense, especially if we expect
>>>that MIB work to be complete soon. After all, that PAR is targeted at
>>>fixed-only.
>>>
>>>(3) We could open a PAR for a corrigenda ("Corrigenda: A document
>>>that only contains substantive corrections to an existing IEEE
>>>standard.") This kind of PAR does not require 30-day advance notice
>>>to the SEC.
>>>
>>>Even if we don't know of any errors in the final version of REVd, I
>>>can confidently predict that we will find some. Therefore, for
>>>protection, we need to identify a specific outlet for the
>>>corrections. We can, and we should, make the decision at Session #32.
>>>At the moment, (2) and (3) sound like the best options.
>>>
>>>Thanks for your input.
>>>
>>>Roger
>>>
>>>
>>>At 17:02 +0100 04/06/03, David Castelow wrote:
>>>  >Roger,
>>>  >
>>>  >I raised this issue at the plenary in Shenzhen, but your comment to
>>>  >Vladimir brings it to mind once more.
>>>  >While the .16e PAR provides the opportunity to make amendments, can you
>>>  >please provide guidance as to how we can distinguish which parts of the
>>>  >contents of the .16e document are corrections to .16-2004 and which are
>>>  >the additional features required to implement .16e.  Is the PAR really
>>>  >sufficient to provide for errata?  I quote from the current PAR
>>>  >document:
>>>  >
>>>  >Scope of Proposed Project:
>>>  >This document provides enhancements to IEEE Std 802.16/802.16a to
>>>  >support subscriber stations moving at vehicular speeds and thereby
>>>  >specifies a system for combined fixed and mobile broadband wireless
>>>  >access. Functions to support higher layer handoff between base stations
>>>  >or sectors are specified. Operation is limited to licensed bands
>>>  >suitable for mobility between 2 and 6 GHz. Fixed 802.16a subscriber
>>>  >capabilities shall not be compromised (See Item #18).
>>>  >
>>>  >A strict, narrow, interpretation of this would not seem to allow any
>>>  >errata to be included.
>>>  >
>>>  >Also the errata MUST be made explicit.
>>>  >In the case of .16c, the profiles were not in conflict with any changes
>>>  >to the base document.
>>>  >In .16e, large changes are likely to be made, and we need to
>>>distinguish
>>>  >the errata to .16-2004 from the other changes being made in .16e.
>>>  >
>>>  >At the very least, I suggest, and shall raise a comment to this effect,
>>>  >that a section of the .16e document be created in which the errata can
>>>  >reside.
>>>  >
>>>  >There is also the issue of timing.  While the current plan shows .16e
>>>  >completing around November, given the changes currently being
>>>  >introduced, this seems optimistic.  Some of the technical issues being
>>>  >discussed for .16-2004 (aka .16-REVd/D5) need rapid agreement, in order
>>>  >for ASICs to be constructed in a timely fashion.
>>>  >
>>>  >However, this does not resolve marketing style issues relating to
>>>  >compliance (to what: " .16-2004 plus the Errata Section of .16e" is a
>>>  >bit of a mouthful).
>>>  >
>>>  >The alternative of creating an Errata document would be preferable.
>>>  >
>>>  >Comments please.
>>>  >
>>>  >Regards
>>>  >
>>>  >David Castelow
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  >-----Original Message-----
>>>  >From: owner-stds-802-16@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
>>>  >[mailto:owner-stds-802-16@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG] On Behalf Of Roger B.
>>>Marks
>>>  >Sent: 03 June 2004 14:37
>>>  >To: STDS-802-16@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
>>>  >Subject: Re: [STDS-802-16] +++Voting Process on Approval of
>>>  >P802.16-REVd/D5 Recirculation Comments Now Open; Deadline of 5 June
>>>  >
>>>  >Vladimir,
>>>  >
>>>  >We are at the end of the line, and time is too short for reply
>>>comments.
>>>  >People have had one chance after another to get their comments right.
>>>If
>>>  >a comment isn't right, then I think you should vote to reject. If you
>>>  >think there is a valid point here, then we should use the amendment
>>>  >mechanism to address it. Fortunately, we have an active amendment
>>>  >project - P802.16e - in which to include any additional changes.
>>>  >
>>>  >Roger
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  >At 15:25 +0300 04/06/03, Vladimir Yanover wrote:
>>>  >>Roger,
>>>  >>
>>>  >>There are useful comments in database, in which remedy is incomplete
>>>or
>>>  >
>>>  >>contains errors.
>>>  >>If we reject them, the problem stays, if accept, the text becomes
>>>  >>inconsistent.
>>>  >>Is there a procedural way to modify suggested remedy?
>>>  >>In D4 we had step of reply comments and it was very useful
>>>  >>
>>>  >>Thanks
>>>  >>
>>>  >>Vladimir
>>>  >>
>>>  >>-----Original Message-----
>>>  >>From: Roger B. Marks [mailto:r.b.marks@ieee.org]
>>>  >>Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 7:17 AM
>>>  >>To: stds-802-16@ieee.org
>>>  >>Subject: +++Voting Process on Approval of P802.16-REVd/D5
>>>Recirculation
>>>  >
>>>  >>Comments Now Open; Deadline of 5 June
>>>  >>
>>>  >>
>>>  >>When I posted the P802.16-REVd/D5 Recirculation comments, I said that
>>>I
>>>  >
>>>  >>would announce the on-line comment resolution process in a few days
>>>and
>>>  >
>>>  >>told you to expect the decision-making process to be quick. I hope you
>>>  >>have had time to read the comments.
>>>  >>
>>>  >>The process is described in IEEE 802.16-04/31
>>>  >><http://ieee802.org/16/docs/04/80216-04_31.pdf>. Members of the IEEE
>>>  >>802.16 Working Group <http://ieee802.org/16/members.html> are the
>>>  >>members of the Ballot Resolution Committee and eligible to vote. They
>>>  >>should read IEEE 802.16-04/31 for details. It explains the need to
>>>make
>>>  >
>>>  >>a quick decision on these comments.
>>>  >>
>>>  >>The voting deadline is 5 June AOE.
>>>  >>
>>>  >>Regards,
>>>  >>
>>>  >>Roger
>>>  >>
>>>  >>
>>>  >>
>>>  >>>The P802.16-REVd Recirc #2 balloting period has closed.
>>>  >>>
>>>  >>>The good news is that we are down to one Disapprove voter (Nico van
>>>  >>>Waes). He submitted one Technical Binding comment, which was a
>>>  >>>reiteration of a previous comment.
>>>  >>>
>>>  >>>The bad news is that we received a total of 171 comments.
>>>  >>>       http://ieee802.org/16/docs/04/80216-04_30.zip
>>>  >>>
>>>  >>>The following show the members of the Sponsor Ballot Group who
>>>  >>>submitted comments, along with the number of comments:
>>>  >>>
>>>  >>>Tal Kaitz                2
>>>  >>>Itzik Kitroser          11
>>>  >>>Yigal Leiba             44
>>>  >>>Cor van de Water         3
>>>  >>>Nico van Waes            1
>>>  >>>
>>>  >>>I received additional comments from other individuals who do not
>>>  >>>belong to the Sponsor Ballot Group:
>>>  >>>
>>>  >>>Raja Banerjea            3
>>>  >>>Changhoi Koo            68
>>>  >>>Lalit Kotecha           14
>>>  >>>Wonil Roh               25
>>>  >>>
>>>  >>>
>>>  >>>We will now move on to an on-line comment resolution process in which
>>>  >>>the members of the Ballot Resolution Committee will be the Members of
>>>  >>>the IEEE 802.16 Working Group. I will provide details in a few days.
>>>  >>>Expect the decision-making process to be quick.
>>>  >>>
>>>  >>>For those of you who are wondering where this leaves us: we have met
>>>  >>>the RevCom conditions for D5 to be approved as an IEEE standard on
>>>  >>>24 June. If we reject all of these comments, no further recirculation
>>>  >>>will be necessary. However, we also have the option to
>>>  >>   >accept comments, produce draft D6, open a third recirculation, and
>>>  >>  >remove D5 from the June RevCom agenda.
>>>  >>   >
>>>  >>   >Roger
>>>  >>
>>>  >>
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