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RE: [802.21] Ad hoc group on evaluation - Soliciting contributionsto developing Usage Models/Scenarios



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Hi Vikrant,
 
Yes. That information would be helpful at a later stage, and for the implementation eval. However, as agreed in the teleconf that the simulation/performance measure would not be done at this stage for the eval criteria. The main point is that we could not agree on a set of paramemters/measures without some understanding of the basics first. Look at other groups' experience, those eval criteria with simulation parameter details usually took a long time to develop, some even over a year. That is why we are trying to avoid it being done at this stage. Or, has the group changed the view on this?
 
cheers
 
Cheng Hong
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Vikrant Shyamkant Kaulgud [mailto:Vikrant_Kaulgud@infosys.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 11:23 AM
To: Cheng Hong; STDS-802-21@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: RE: [802.21] Ad hoc group on evaluation - Soliciting contributionsto developing Usage Models/Scenarios

Hi,
 
I think its a valid point. However documenting basic applicability statements for key meta usage models, performance measures etc. would not hurt. They could give experimenters a basic foundation on which to base their experiments and impose some uniformity in the way experiments are run and results reported. Probably would make the task of evaluation a bit simpler.
 
 

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Regards,
Vikrant.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-stds-802-21@listserv.ieee.org [mailto:owner-stds-802-21@listserv.ieee.org] On Behalf Of Cheng Hong
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 8:41 AM
To: STDS-802-21@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: Re: [802.21] Ad hoc group on evaluation - Soliciting contributionsto developing Usage Models/Scenarios

Hi Nada and all,
 
I thought the discussion was concluded that we need some basic set of scenarios to help us deciding what/how many call flows diagrams to provide.
 
However, it seems that the usage scenarios mentioned in the below e-mail are some specific scenarios for simulation/implementation with some specific details, e.g. application, traffic characteristic, performance measures. I think that is beyond what we need at this stage, instead is more for what you said "at a later stage - after harmonization has occurred"  What's more I think it would be hard for the group to agree on the details of the scenarios at this stage, e.g. 1, 4&5 of your list, since there could be many variations of those parameters which are upto deployment and implementation.
 
So, I feel we should concentrate more on the basic of the scenarios, e.g. what is the network relationship, who initiates the handover (e.g. network init, terminal init), i.e. item 2 & 3 and others. How do you think about this?
 
Cheers
 
Cheng Hong
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-stds-802-21@listserv.ieee.org [mailto:owner-stds-802-21@listserv.ieee.org] On Behalf Of Nada Golmie
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 6:52 AM
To: stds-802-21@listserv.ieee.org
Cc: Nada Golmie
Subject: Ad hoc group on evaluation - Soliciting contributions to developing Usage Models/Scenarios

Dear all,

To follow-up on our telecon discussion this morning, the evaluation ad hoc group would like to solicit volunteers to develop
a set of usage case models & scenarios to be included in the evaluation guidelines document.

Although the consensus was that no performance analyses, modeling, and simulation results will be required for the proposal
down-selection process, there is some value to develop template scenarios in order to allow for simulation  modeling / prototype implementation at a later stage - after harmonization has occurred.

Usage scenarios should include enough details to allow for an experimenter to collect performance measures using either simulation, mathematical modeling, or prototype implementation, to replicate and compare results.

Typically usage scenarios consist of::

1) Description of the application or traffic characterization: e.g. voice, video, file transfer, email, etc.
2) Network topology: number, type, location, coverage of access networks (802.11, 802.16, cellular, etc.), location of mobile node or multi-interface terminal (distance from access network).
3) Mobility or handover model : description of  a path  from one access network to the other.
4) Meta usage models eg. residential, office, airport, train., that would associate a set of parameters to the above  three elements.
5) Performance measures
6) whatever else you think may be needed

If you're interested in contributing to this effort please send your thoughts to the reflector.

Reijo Salminen has graciously agreed to consolidate the ideas and input received and fold that into a section on
usage scenarios in the evaluation guidelines document.

Best Regards,

nada
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