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Re: [802.21] Agenda for September Meeting

 I will agree with your reading and have seen this process followed in
802.11 many times. In cases where there are multiple candidates and WG Chair
doesn't want to make decision, WG Chair asks SG to "recommend" one person
(its all up to WG Chair) and SG reaches that "recommendation" by doing vote
in SG (and as per 7.4.2 any vote in SG everyone present can vote).

On the other side WG still need to "affirm" the person whoever WG Chair
"appoints" as SG chair.


On 9/12/07 9:08 AM, "Phillip Barber" <>

> Suman, Ajay, Peretz and all,
> I would say a fair reading of 7.4b would be that the WG Chair Appoints the
> SG Chair (as the WG Chair makes all appointments in a WG, for instance TG
> and Ad-Hoc Chairs), and that the WG Members are expected to affirm the
> Appointment through vote. Should the Chair's selected appointee not be
> affirmed, then the Chair would have to re-select and another affirmation
> vote would be taken.
> Procedurally, if the Chair wants to devolve his appointment authority on
> this matter, selectively this one time, and let the SG Members conduct an
> election of the SG Chair, it seems to me he/she can probably can do that.
> Remember, Chairs decide matters of procedure, including how that procedure
> is conducted. And the EC is never going to fault a Chair for giving Members
> the opportunity to vote on matters, especially if that is the right to elect
> their own leadership.
> That being said, the WG Members would still be expected to affirm any such
> SG Chair election through vote. Should the SG elected, candidate Chair not
> be affirmed, then either there would have to be another SG election and WG
> affirmation until an elected candidate was affirmed, or the Chair could
> revert to the normal method of appointment and affirmation, or the Chair
> could devise some other compliant procedure to get a SG Chair, that included
> WG affirmation.
> This is my opinion on this procedural question.
> Thanks,
> Phil
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stds-802-21@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG [mailto:stds-802-21@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG]
> On Behalf Of Suman Sharma
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 10:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [802.21] Agenda for September Meeting
> Please read the 802 LMSC P&P  section 7.4.2
> ***********************
> 7.4 Study Groups 
> Study groups are formed when enough interest has been identified for a
> particular area of study,
> such as a new access method or modified use of an existing access method.
> Two types of Study
> Groups are specified:
> a) An Executive Committee Study Group (ECSG) is initiated by vote of the
> Executive 
> Committee and the ECSG Chair is appointed and approved by the Executive
> Committee. 
> The ECSG Chair has the same responsibilities as a Working Group Chair as
> specified in 
> subclause but does not have Executive Committee voting rights.
> b) A Working Group Study Group (WGSG) is initiated by vote of the Working
> Group or 
> TAG and approved by the Executive Committee. The WGSG Chair is appointed and
> approved by the Working Group or TAG.
> The Study Group shall have a defined task with specific output and a
> specific time frame
> established within which it is allowed to study the subject. It is expected
> that the work effort to
> develop a PAR will originate in an ECSG or WGSG. A Study Group shall report
> its 
> recommendations, shall have a limited lifetime, and is chartered
> session-to-session. A study
> group is expected to submit a PAR to the EC for consideration within two
> plenary sessions of
> itıs initiation.  After the Study Group recommendations have been accepted
> by the parent body,
> the Study Group will be disbanded no later than the end of the next Plenary
> Session. 
> The decision of whether to utilize an existing Working Group or TAG, or to
> establish a new 
> Working Group or TAG to carry out recommended work items shall be made by
> the Executive 
> Committee with due consideration of advice from the Study Group.
> 7.4.1 Study Group Operation
> Progress of each Study Group shall be presented at Opening Plenary meetings
> by the Working 
> Group, TAG, or ECSG Chair. Study Groups may elect officers other than the
> Chair, if necessary,
>   FILE: LMSC_P&P_NOVEMBER_2005_R051204.DOC
> and will follow the general operating procedures for Working Groups
> specified in subclauses
> and 7.2.4. Because of the limited time duration of a Study Group, no
> letter ballots are
> permitted. 
> 7.4.2 Voting at Study Group Meetings
> Any person attending a Study Group meeting may vote on all motions
> (including recommending
> approval of a PAR). A vote is carried by 75% of those present and voting
> ³Approve² or 
> ³Disapprove.² 
> **************************
> Regards
> Suman
> On 9/12/07 7:54 AM, "Ajay Rajkumar" <> wrote:
>> I am a little surprised at the procedure that was mentioned to choose
>> the SG Chair. If the SG is approved as a WGSG then how is it that anyone
>> present for the SG could vote for a SG Chair. I would think that only
>> the WG members are eligible for this vote.
>> -ajay
>> Gupta, Vivek G wrote:
>>> I have placed a preliminary agenda for the September meeting on 802.21
>>> web site.
>>> 0-Session22_Hawaii_Agenda.doc
>>> The Security Study Group will meet as follows:
>>> Monday September 17 from 4-6 PM (PM2 slot)
>>> Wednesday September 19 from 1-6 PM. (PM1 and PM2 slots, PM2 if required)
>>> The Security SG Chair elections will take place on Monday at 4:00PM.
>>> As previously mentioned we currently have three candidates for the Chair
>>> position and all the Security SG participants will vote and elect the
>>> Security SG Chair at this time.
>>> As already mentioned by Behcet, the Multi-Radio Power Management
>>> Conservation Study Group will meet on Tues and Thurs from 8-10 AM:
>>> Best Regards
>>> -Vivek