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Re: [802.3_4PPOE] Comment for IEEE P802.3bt/D3.4 ballot



Hello Lennart,

 

A PD which has an open on one mode could conceivably be recognized as a dual-signature PD under the current definition and begin to enter the dual-signature state machine. While detection would show as open/invalid and so this mode should never be powered, it could still pass connection check as a valid dual-signature PD when clearly four-pair power should never be applied.

 

That pairset would keep being returned to IDLE_[mode] of the SISM and the other mode would never allow pd_4pair_cand <= TRUE, so I do not see any errors with how the state machine would function as-is. However, in this case exiting the top level PSE state diagram from CXN_CHK_EVAL back to IDLE and making a PSE decision to then change to a 2-pair mode to continue to START_DETECT seems to be more in line with the intent of how four-pair power and the connection check are aligned?

 

Thank you,

Janine

 

From: Lennart Yseboodt <lennart.yseboodt@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, May 7, 2018 4:50 AM
To: STDS-802-3-4PPOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [802.3_4PPOE] Comment for IEEE P802.3bt/D3.4 ballot

 

Hi Janine,

 

Comment:

The definition of "invalid" is ambiguous in regard to the open circuit condition. 

Is this an open circuit on both pairsets or either pairset? 

"Invalid" was spawned from "open_circ" in the remedy to comment 108 against D1.7. 

In the process, the qualifier "on both pairsets" was removed from the definition of open circuit. 

 

Proposed remedy:

Change: "Neither a single-signature nor a dual-signature configuration has been found. 

This includes an open circuit condition."  

To: "Neither a single-signature nor a dual-signature configuration has been found. 

This includes an open circuit condition on either pairset."

 

Can you elaborate what problem this comment solves ?

Depending on if we mean "either pairset" or "both pairsets" this does change behavior in the state diagram when only one pairset is an open circuit.

 

Kind regards,

 

Lennart

 

On Thu, 2018-05-03 at 19:08 +0000, Janine Tinsley (jatallma) wrote:

Hello,

 

I have submitted a late comment for the ballot and expect that a motion will be made to include the comment resolution. Please find attached the comment, which suggests a clarification to the open circuit condition which may result in a PSE’s “do_cxn_chk” returning an invalid condition.

 

With regards,

Janine Tinsley


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