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[802SEC] Re: UL and 802 policy about restriction notices in e-mails.

Parallel would be my goal

At 03:31 PM 7/30/2002 -0700, Howard Frazier wrote:

>I suggest that 802's policy should parallel the policy that has been added
>to the RevCom conventions, both for the sake of consistency, and because
>the RevCom convention has already been reviewed by the IEEE-SA's
>legal counsel.
>Geoff Thompson wrote:
>>I just got off of the phone with John Verscaj, Vice President and General 
>>Counsel of Underwriters Labs. He (effectively) said he understands our 
>>position and will not oppose it further. He is investigating options with 
>>the IT Department of UL and with the upper management of UL that will 
>>solve the problem at the UL end. The current situation is that (as far as 
>>he knows) the "Internet E-mail Confidentiality Disclaimer" is 
>>automatically appended to all external e-mails as they leave UL.
>>Until he gets that problem solved I suggested that UL could correspond 
>>with us via fax, postal mail or an outside e-mail account. I said that we 
>>would respond promptly and were happy to work with them.
>>So, as far as I am concerned, this is no longer a priority issue. This 
>>episode does point out that it would be useful to have relevant text in 
>>our P&P. To that end (as promised earlier), I would like to put the 
>>following text in as a proposed addition to the IEEE Project 802 
>>Operating Rules. As an interested party and voting member of 802.3, I 
>>would also propose the same text for adoption in 802.3, to be removed 
>>upon adoption by 802. This is only because the adoption track for 
>>non-controversial issues in 802.3 is faster.
>>Bob O'Hara, please put me down for a November Monday agenda item to 
>>propose the following addition to the Operating Rules:
>>(We currently have no "Procedure" for how to achieve "openness" in our 
>>meetings. I think this is a start on the more general topic. I believe 
>>that the text is an accurate representation of our long standing policy. )
>>(Proposed documentation of existing) 802 Policy regarding restrictive notices
>>IEEE 802 operates in an open manner.  To that end, no material submitted 
>>to IEEE 802, or any of its sub-groups, will be accepted or considered if 
>>that material contains any statement that places any burden on the 
>>recipient(s) with respect to confidentiality or copyright. This policy 
>>specifically includes e-mail.
>>Any material that has such a "Confidentiality Disclaimer" on it is not 
>>acceptable. The purpose of such a disclaimer is to transfer some level of 
>>responsibility to the recipient for deciding whether or not it is 
>>appropriate to disclose, use, disseminate, copy, post or otherwise 
>>distribute, the material.
>>IEEE 802 accepts no such responsibility.
>>The most effective way for 802 to decline any such responsibility is to 
>>not accept material with such a disclaimer.
>>Correspondence with 802 groups will not be confidential. It is very 
>>likely that any such correspondence (in addition to being discussed in 
>>open meetings) will be posted in the open portion of our web-site and 
>>thus will be disclosed, disseminated and distributed. Anyone who wishes 
>>to correspond with an 802 group must understand and accept this as a 
>>condition of sending us any documentation. Inclusion of any restrictive 
>>notice is contrary to, and negates, any indication of acceptance of the 
>>IEEE 802 policy of openness.
>>Copyrighted works may be accepted as submissions for inclusions in drafts 
>>only with an appropriate release. Copyrighted works may be referenced in 
>>drafts and presentations if they are available on reasonable and 
>>non-discriminatory terms.
>>Best regards,
>>| Geoffrey O. Thompson                    |
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