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Re: [802SEC] Kibis in Kauai

Howard -

Its good to know that the traditional IEEE principle of openness has been 
applied to this activity...

Some observations:

- Raising a PAR in May, completing Sponsor ballot in July, and gaining 
revCom approval in September of the same year is a remarkable, even 
superhuman, feat - and one that can only be accomplished, IMHO, in the 
absence of considered review - unless, of course, the project is entirely 
content free and/or uncontentious.

_ As your slides point out, it is clear that this process has not been made 
open to interested parties (such as 802) that may well have been moved to 
join the balloting pool if they had been aware of this activity and its 
impact, and might even (perish the thought) have chosen to pass comment on 
this interesting document.

- I believe that the SB should rule that the Sponsor Ballot was invalid for 
the above reasons, and that the pool should be re-formed, following 
explicit notification and to all other IEEE standards activities/committees 
that might be affected, and following a suitable notice period (6 months?) 
for the notification to reach individuals that may feel the need to join 
the pool.


At 01:13 05/11/2002 -0800, Howard Frazier wrote:

>Dear IEEE 802 LMSC SEC Members,
>I have asked Paul for a brief amount of time to
>make a presentation at the opening plenary
>meeting in Kauai on a subject that will come
>before the IEEE-SA Standards Board in
>December.  Attached please find a set of
>slides that will explain the issue.
>The topic is important, even though it is
>sometimes hard to discuss it with a straight face.
>I won't have enough time to present all of
>the slides at the plenary, but I plan to cover at
>least the 2nd and 3rd slides, and possibly
>the 4th.  The remainder have been included
>to help explain the issue, and hopefully
>stimulate debate.
>The Standards Board needs to hear from
>people who have a stake in the subject.
>For reasons outlined in the slide deck, I
>believe that materially interested parties are
>completely unaware of actions that have been
>taken to date, and are not aware of the certain
>impact of IEEE draft standard P1541.
>I hope that you will see fit to share this material
>with your working groups, and to elicit their
>feedback.  I believe that if the LMSC takes a
>position on this subject, it can have an effect
>on the Standards Board's decision.
>Here's the key to the whole thing: Look at
>the "shall" statements on slide 2, and ask yourself
>if all new and revised IEEE standards should have
>to conform to them, because if P1541 becomes
>an IEEE standard, that's what will happen.
>Howard Frazier