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[802SEC] FW: Plenary Meeting locations

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Here is an email from Jesse Walker that he requested I forward to the SEC reflector.  Please include Jesse on any reply messages.



From: Walker, Jesse
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 11:09 AM
To: Shellhammer, Stephen J
Subject: FW: Plenary Meeting locations


Could you forward this to the SEC list? The list server rejected my e-mail since I don’t belong to SEC.


From: Walker, Jesse
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 11:05 AM
To: 'Rigsbee, Everett O'; Bruce Kraemer ;
Cc: stuart.kerry@PHILIPS.COM; 802 @F2F Dawn S; Darcel Moro @F2F; 802 @F2F Jennifer Hull; 802 Exec
Subject: RE: Plenary Meeting locations


Does anyone have statistics on the number of people who signed up for the meetings but then canceled due to visa problems? If not, how are we going to determine how much of a problem U.S. plenaries are causing? If so, can you share the statistics with us? This would be useful information to apply to lobbying efforts to reform the U.S. visa rules.


From: Rigsbee, Everett O []
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 10:00 AM
To: Bruce Kraemer ;
Cc: stuart.kerry@PHILIPS.COM; Walker, Jesse; 802 @F2F Dawn S; Darcel Moro @F2F; 802 @F2F Jennifer Hull; 802 Exec
Subject: RE: Plenary Meeting locations


Bruce,  This issue has been discussed at length by the 802 ExecComm and the following observations were noted:


1.  It is extremely difficult and expensive to hold 802 Plenary sessions for 1600+ individuals in non-North American locations because of the lack of large facilities, and the difficulty in coordinating with multiple foreign venues.  The cost problems have been severely aggravated by the recent decline of the US dollar, and many of our attendees already claim that the cost of attending 802 Plenaries is too high for their company.  The US is currently a relative bargain for foreign travelers and we do have some excellent facilities scheduled. 


2.  However IEEE 802 has a strong desire to show itself to be a truly international organization by holding sessions abroard. 


3.  WG's have been doing that successfully with their smaller interim sessions, but it would still be important to have an all-802 session abroad. 


4.  Therefore IEEE 802 will make a best effort attempt to hold an 802-Hosted Interim meeting for all 802 WGs in a non-North American venue (now currently targeted for January 2007).  Choices with estimated costs for venues for this meeting will be presented at our March 2005 Plenary in Atlanta, GA.  We are still expecting our new China Liaison, Roger Marx, to provide some sponsor contacts for possible venues inside China itself. 


I hope this helps to address your concerns. 


Thanx,  Buzz
Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
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-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Kraemer []
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 6:10 AM
Cc: stuart.kerry@PHILIPS.COM;; Rigsbee, Everett O;
Subject: Plenary Meeting locations

Dear SEC,


  1. I was checking meeting dates and noticed that all of the upcoming 802 Plenaries are scheduled for US locations through 2009! (I include Vancouver)



  1. I also noted the following news article last week from China Tech News. While highly biased it does illustrate my point.


WAPI Proposal Finally Acknowledged By International Organization
December 9, 2004

After many ups and downs, the Chinese-sponsored WAPI (Wireless LAN Authentication and Privacy Infrastructure) standard has seen a new twist--it has finally been acknowledged by the International Standardization Organization during the ISO/IEC JTC1 SC6 session.
WAPI will be pushed within ISO/IEC JTC1 SC6 along with America's IEEE 802.11i, and WAPI will be put on the agenda of the SC 6 WG1 meeting scheduled for February 2005.
Local reports say that the Chinese delegation successfully made their bid by forcing the US side to issue a statement that both WAPI and 802.11i can be deployed together.




  1. Although the IEEE 802 may wish to call itself an inter-national standards body it has been pointed out many times that such a view is not universally held. 802 needs to seriously consider changing meeting venues as one means to back up the rhetoric. The individual working groups have been more proactive in distributing their meeting locations which obviously helps but is not sufficient. Please consider including inter-national 802 plenary  locations as soon as possible.



Bruce Kraemer

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