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Re: [802SEC] visa policy (was Re: [802SEC] Plenary Meeting locations)


A secret policy doesn't address my points (1) or (3), and it doesn't
fully address (2).


At 17:05 -0800 2004-12-13, Rigsbee, Everett O wrote:
>Roger,  I'm afraid you are too late.  We've already been doing that
>for over a year; we just didn't want to publicly advertise it in
>fear that we would suddenly get a rash phoney Visa problems from
>folks just trying to avoid the late cancellation fee.  But everyone
>who wound up in that situation did get the full refund because we
>consider that falls under the extreme hardship or circumstances
>beyond ones control, which have always been given special
>consideration with respect to penalties.
>Thanx,  Buzz
>Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
>Boeing - SSG
>PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
>Seattle, WA  98124-2207
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Roger B. Marks [mailto:r.b.marks@IEEE.ORG]
>Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 4:19 PM
>Subject: [802SEC] visa policy (was Re: [802SEC] Plenary Meeting locations)
>I would like to propose a policy of full refunds for registrants who
>promptly submit evidence that they applied for a visa at least 60
>days before the session and were subsequently denied it.
>This would serve several purposes. It would:
>(1) encourage people to apply early enough for their visa,
>increasing the chance they will get it. [I recommend that people
>apply 90 days in advance, but I think that the refund policy should
>use a smaller number than that.]
>(2) give people a fair chance to preregister, without risk, even if
>they are still awaiting their visa.
>(3) give 802 a source of statistics on visa denial. While we
>perceive a problem of people not getting visas, it's very hard to
>understand the problem unless we understand how early they applied.
>At 11:31 -0800 2004-12-13, Rigsbee, Everett O wrote:
>>Jesse,  It has never been more than one or two per Plenary Session that
>>I am aware of, and those were mostly due to insufficient lead time to
>>get the Visa approved prior to the meeting dates, not that the Visa
>>would not be granted.  With our improved process for registration and
>>facilities for providing advance session invitations we expect the
>>numbers to drop to virtual zero.  It just took us a while to understand
>>exactly what impact the new homeland security policies were having and
>>the requirements to compensate for them effectively.
>>I think we are over the hump on this one now.    :-)    We did have
>>18 attendees from the Peoples Republic of China at our San Antonio
>>session and I don't believe anyone had to cancel for Visa reasons.
>>Thanx,  Buzz
>>Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
>>Boeing - SSG
>>PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
>>Seattle, WA  98124-2207
>>(425) 865-2443    Fx: (425) 865-6721
>>Cell: (425) 417-1022
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Walker, Jesse []
>>Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 11:05 AM
>>To: Rigsbee, Everett O; Bruce Kraemer ;
>>Cc: stuart.kerry@PHILIPS.COM; 802 @F2F Dawn S; Darcel Moro @F2F; 802
>>@F2F Jennifer Hull; 802 Exec
>>Subject: RE: Plenary Meeting locations
>>Does anyone have statistics on the number of people who signed up for
>>the meetings but then canceled due to visa problems? If not, how are we
>>going to determine how much of a problem U.S. plenaries are causing? If
>>so, can you share the statistics with us? This would be useful
>  >information to apply to lobbying efforts to reform the U.S. visa rules.

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