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Re: [802SEC] Proposed action on 802.15.3a PAR withdrawal

Bob / All,


For the sake of brainstorming here are some possible resolutions:


1) Reduce consensus level to 66%

2) Entity balloting

4) Task Group membership

4) Mandatory PAR split if predefined stalemate conditions occur


I don't advocate one particular route or another, but all of these have
been suggested as potential parts of a solution.


Another issue is cross task group / cross working group / sponsor level
influence.  If you have two Task Groups working on potentially competing
technologies can they block each other?  Also, people seem more apt to
cross working groups lately if they see activities in that other group
as competing with their own.  In the past they were willing to live and
let live.  This seems less true today.  Also, even if you get a standard
through at the WG level, there is still the sponsor ballot.  Any
interested party can participate there and kill something if they feel
it competes with a different solution that they advocate.


Personally I advocate a process which is more procedural and less
judgmental.  We have set ourselves up through the PAR / 5 criteria and
WG processes as judge and jury as to whether a project has merit, and
which sets of technologies should be allowed to proliferate.  I'd rather
see us merely be an instrument and forum for the development and
documentation of solid specifications, and let the market decide.  The
specifications that succeed in the market will be come the standards
that further generations of specifications are based on.  We need a
process that reduces the potential gains available (or ability) to block
work on a basis of market addressed, or technology used.


At least that's my view.






Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.

Senior Member Technical Staff


Office: +1 973.633.6344



-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Heile [] 
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 11:46 AM
Subject: [802SEC] Proposed action on 802.15.3a PAR withdrawal


Dear EC Members


As you have all probably seen in the press, Task Group 3a in 802.15

to recommend the withdrawal of its PAR.  The action was unanimously 

affirmed by the full Working Group.  The PAR was due to expire in

of this year anyway and given that one of the parties in the stalemate 

adamantly refused to compromise, this is a sensible action.  I will be

submitting this recommendation for conditional inclusion on the NesCom 

March meeting agenda subject to approval by the EC in Denver in a few 

weeks.  Just wanted to give everyone a heads up.


Press has been generally neutral to slightly positive regarding the 

action.  The IEEE has not been blamed.  That is the good news.

we may want to discuss though is the fact that this collision of

is happening more and more. We seem stymied on how to deal with blocks

voter influence through economic pressure. Proving this stuff is

and the level of proof required is unclear. Does taking action expose us

lawsuits? Our 75% consensus requirement makes it relatively easy to

an action.  These are topics we should perhaps discuss in Denver.






Bob Heile, Ph.D

Chairman, ZigBee Alliance

Chair, IEEE 802.15 Working Group on Wireless Personal Area Networks

11 Louis Road

Attleboro, MA  02703   USA

Mobile: +1-781-929-4832




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