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Re: [802SEC] "Get IEEE 802" comments


I haven't heard a response to my note below of 14 March. As part of 
this reminder message, I've checked the web site to see if any of 
these issues has been addressed.

(1) The six-month "waiting list" has been added:
Thank you. However, it is seriously deficient. Of the four standards, 
three of them link to catalog items listed as "Product not available 
to ship." Two of these are CD-ROMs, and one is print. There is no 
value in pointing potential customers to products that they don't 
want and can't get anyway. The customers want downloadable files, and 
you have them for sale. Let's tell them that!

Also, the waiting list is incomplete. I know of at least one missing 
standard: 802.15.3b-2005.

Note: the waiting list ought to be linked to the sentence "New and 
revised IEEE 802 standards and drafts are available for sale 
individually" on the page 

Sales of individual standards is a revenue item in the Get IEEE 802 
budget. However, the years have dragged on with almost no discernible 
effort to sell any. As part of any future discussions regarding the 
"Get IEEE 802 Program Agreement", I would like to include a 
discussion of which party is responsible for sales and what the 
expectations are.

(2) I see that you have corrected the links to the obsolete 
drafts-for-sale catalog. This is better. The search includes some 
superseded standards in addition to drafts, but that's a minor 

(3) I continue to be skeptical of your statistical profiles of 
downloaders, because I continue to find that there is no survey page 
being presented to the downloader. And, as I mentioned before, 
downloads continue to be provided with no "Terms and Conditions".



>Every time we discuss the Get IEEE 802 budget, it gets me to 
>thinking about the program itself, and how it might be improved, or 
>even maintained.
>So, I have the following comments:
>(1) The "Get IEEE 802 Program Agreement" says "Documents subject to 
>the wait period will be listed on the website with a link to a site 
>where the documents may be purchased." However, I don't see such 
>links at the site:
>In fact, I don't ever recall seeing such links, even though I've 
>brought up this issue a few times over the years. There is a pointer 
>to the IEEE Store, but that's not the same thing; the Store is an 
>easy place to get lost, and it does not include a list of available 
>802 documents.
>(2) Are sales of drafts included in the Get IEEE 802 budget? I think 
>IEEE could do a better job of promoting them for sale. It's nice 
>that the web page has two links to the draft sale page. 
>Unfortunately, both of those links are dead, because they point to 
>ILI. ILI has not been offering 802 drafts since November 1.
>(3) As usual, we discussed the statistical profiles of the 
>downloaders when we met last week. However, I suspect that this data 
>may be out of date. I say this because, when I went to download 
>standards today, I did not receive the survey form. [Neither did I 
>receive a "Terms and Conditions" page to accept.] I found the same 
>results on two different browsers.
>Before we next meet to talk about the program budget, can you see if 
>IEEE can review the web site?

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