Re: [802SEC] Teleconference on WG P&P Revision for Friday 11/13 @ 12 noon Eastern Time
I am experiencing network difficulties today and over the last couple of days so e-mail responses have been difficult. I just want to acknowledge the several e-mails I've seen (on and off the reflector) concerning my concerns on WG Ballot rules. Thanks very much for the dialogue, it is all very helpful for me.
It is clear based on the responses so far that people generally favor leaving things pretty much as they are in this area, so I'm not planning to push for any change. I will leave the issue on the agenda in case someone wants further comment. One or two people did suggest other related modifications they might like to see, so I'll leave it as a discussion point for those other suggestions.
I'm looking forward to further dialogues on Friday and Sunday.
From: Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA)
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 7:19 AM
Subject: Teleconference on WG P&P Revision for Friday 11/13 @ 12 noon Eastern Time
This is just a reminder that we will have a teleconference to discuss status on the WG P&P revision this Friday @ 12 Noon ET. This will of course be followed Sunday by our usual P&P Review meeting.
If you have any issues concerning the WG P&P revision please bring them (and your proposed resolutions) forward by Friday. If there is any redrafting of the revisions required, I’d like to have them done by Sunday.
Note that I will be proposing the following change on Friday:
To address the recent concern that WG Chairs should bring vote counts for any matters they bring forward for consideration by the EC on behalf of their WG I suggest the following be added to Clause 3.1.2 of the LMSC OM revision:
“Votes brought to the EC on behalf of a WG or TAG shall include vote counts for the approval votes to bring the matter forward to the EC.”
In addition, I have a concern about approval of WG Ballots to forward Drafts to Sponsor ballot. I feel the current rules are ambiguous, and I am concerned that they are substantially different than for Sponsor ballot. Currently the Draft WG P&P (9.6) has:
“Approval to forward a draft standard to the Sponsor shall require approval by a WG Letter Electronic Ballot. Abstains shall require a reason be given, and Do Not Approve votes shall require comments on changes required to modify the vote to Approve. For a letter ballot on a draft standard to be valid a majority of all the voting members of the Committee must have responded Approve, Do Not Approve, or Abstain .”
The Process for Sponsor Ballot is as follows (SA SB OM 18.104.22.168):
For a standards ballot to be effective, at least 75% of the ballots shall be returned. In the event that a 75%
return from the balloting group cannot be obtained, the balloting process is considered to have failed.
Further disposition of the document shall be the responsibility of the Sponsor. A minimum of 75% of those
voting affirmative or negative with comment must approve the draft in order to submit the ballot result to
the IEEE-SA Standards Board. In the event that 30% or more of the returned ballots are abstentions, the
ballot shall be considered invalid.
Note that in the WG rules, there is no abstention requirement, and the return requirement is lower…. I’m not saying this is wrong, but I felt we should revisit it to make sure this is what we intend.
The call in info is the same as previously:
12 Noon Eastern Time:
Toll Free Dial In Number: (866)205-4008
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Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
First Vice Chair, IEEE 802
BAE Systems - Electronics, Intelligence, & Support (EI&S)
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