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Re: [802SEC] +++ 10-day EC Email Ballot +++ Exec Secretary March T&L Funding


While it is true that employers and affiliations change, in this case,
the endorsement letter was signed by Buzz.  I can only assume that Buzz
has not terminated himself.

I know that other EC members have had to cover a meeting's expenses out
of their own pocket due to changes in support/affiliation.  In all those
cases, they member covered the expense without requesting money from the EC.

These are tough times.  I think all of us would benefit from having part
of our travel expenses offset.  I know that my company is cost conscious
at this time and all my travel expenditures have to be approved in advance.

I am OK with paying for it if:
1) There is a clear and fair method for determining who should get the
2) There is a process for reviewing and approving expenditures.

I am concerned only with fairness and process, not with the specifics of
this situation (or the persons involved).

By approving this, we are unavoidably setting precedent.  Witness the
comment that we have paid for others in the past (e.g., Arnie), when
that payment was explicitly stated as not setting precedent.
Nevertheless, it has set a precedent in our minds.

If we are going to do that, we should be responsible with our member's
money (it is theirs, after all, not ours).

James Gilb

Pat Thaler wrote:
> I'm voting approve.
> I understand and sympathize with the reservations that have been
> stated. However, I think that it is in the best interests of IEEE 802
> to have continuity for this meeting. I think not doing so risks
> having higher meeting costs.
> Yes, a transition plan should have been worked out earlier in the
> game and it wasn't, but we are here now and need to deal with the
> situation as it exists.
> There was a letter of support but that was a statement of intent, not
> a contract that we can enforce. Many of us work under "at will"
> employment rather than under contract and the employer or employee
> can terminate the employment at any time. The letters of support in
> that case tend to get abandoned when employment changes and we have
> had more than one EC transition over time that occurred mid-term due
> to a change in employment.
> We are protected by limiting our expenditure and I'm satisfied by
> John's statement that he will use the IEEE Standards staff travel
> policy to guide what is reasonable and customary.
> I agree with David that the opening phrase should have stated
> "without creating precedent" to be clear about its meaning. However
> I'm not sure that it is possible to do something without creating a
> precedent - certainly the funding of Arnie came up during discussion
> of this even though it was also suppose to be without creating a
> precedent. Long ago we had one other case where we provided support -
> when the 802.2 chair lost his funding and needed help for a couple of
> meetings. I think it was done back then by providing comp'ed air and
> hotel rather than by paying expenses. I don't recall if that motion
> said it was without creating a precedent or not.
> On the other hand, I do not feel comfortable continuing this
> arrangement for more than a meeting or two. There are others who pay
> their own way without an employer.
> Regards, Pat
> -----Original Message----- From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee
> List ***** [] On Behalf Of John Hawkins 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 11:20 AM To:
> STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [802SEC] +++ 10-day EC Email
> Ballot +++ Exec Secretary March T&L Funding
> Folks,
> Paul has authorized the following motion for your consideration.
> Based on our previous discussion on the topic, this is what  I think
> can get us an answer to this question to cover the next meeting.
> Much more discussion will follow in Orlando on the longer term
> solution. For now, please vote your preference one way or the other.
> Motion: Without precedent, the EC approves the use of IEEE 802
> resources for reimbursement of  reasonable and customary expenses for
> Buzz Rigsbee, such that he may continue to execute his duties as the
> IEEE 802 Executive Secretary, for the March 2010 plenary. Such
> reimbursement will be not to exceed $1,000
> Moved:  John Hawkins Seconded: Steve Shellhammer
> Start of ballot: Tuesday 27th January, 2010 Close of ballot: Saturday
> 6th February, 2010, 11:59PM EDT
> Early close: As required in subclause 'Electronic Balloting
> of the IEEE project 802 LAN/MAN Standards Committee (LMSC) Operations
>  Manual, this is notice that this ballot may close early once 
> sufficient responses are received to clearly decide a matter.
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