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Re: [802SEC] Result of +++ 10-day EC Email Ballot +++ EC motion on 802.11 response to FCC docket 15-47



Hello Apurva,

 

Wed 15th is the earliest the WG can approve an updated Submission.

The LMSC OM then states that a period of 5 days to allow the EC to object

is required for a communication representing the position of a subgroup.

That takes us to 20th July,  which is too late.

 

So we (802.11) have missed the boat on this.  I used the wrong process for approval by the EC this time around.   Next time around,  I will hopefully use the correct process.

 

Note that I’m strongly resistant to the EC attempting to directly make changes to a WG’s approved output,  having seen the awkwardness this created with the DSRC output.   If a motion fails,  comments made by EC members can be considered by the WG and may result in a new motion at a later time.

 

Best Regards,

 

Adrian P STEPHENS

 

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From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** [mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Mody, Apurva (US)
Sent: 26 June 2015 14:10
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Result of +++ 10-day EC Email Ballot +++ EC motion on 802.11 response to FCC docket 15-47

 

Adrian, Rich,

 

According to the Federal Register, the comments on this are due to the FCC on or before July 15th.

Reply Comments are due on or before August 14th.

 

So potentially we can still work on this and get it approved during the EC Opening Plenary unless 802.11 plans to send this out as a WG or 802.11/802.15 Regulatory Standing Committee document.

 

Thanks

Apurva

 

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Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 8:09 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Result of +++ 10-day EC Email Ballot +++ EC motion on 802.11 response to FCC docket 15-47

 

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Dear EC,

 

 

Sorry,  I was not sufficiently clear in my email.

 

Result of motion “Move that EC approves transmission of document 11-15/683r2 (https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/15/11-15-0683-02-0reg-comments-in-fcc-15-47.docx) to the FCC as a letter in response to FCC docket 15-47, granting the LMSC Chair editorial license.

Motion fails 6,4,1 (2/3 required, 60% received).

 

 

Best Regards,

 

Adrian P STEPHENS

 

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From: Stephens, Adrian P
Sent: 16 June 2015 01:34
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Cc: Richard Kennedy (rkennedy1000@gmail.com)
Subject: RE: +++ 10-day EC Email Ballot +++ EC motion on 802.11 response to FCC docket 15-47

 

Please check that I have recorded your vote correctly.

 

Voter Role

Name

NV

APP

DIS

ABS

DNV

CH

Paul Nikolich

 

 

 

 

DNV

VC

Pat Thaler

 

 

N

 

 

VC

James PK Gilb

 

Y

 

 

 

TR

Clint Chaplin

 

Y

 

 

 

RS

John D'Ambrosia

 

 

 

 

DNV

ES

Jon W Rosdahl

 

Y

 

 

 

01

Glenn Parsons

 

 

 

 

DNV

03

David Law

 

 

 

 

DNV

11

Adrian P Stephens

 

Y

 

 

 

15

Bob Heile

 

Y

 

 

 

16

Roger Marks

 

 

N

 

 

17

John Lemon

NV

 

 

 

 

18

Mike Lynch

 

 

 

A

 

19

Steve Shellhammer

 

 

 

 

DNV

20

Radhakrishna Canchi

NV

 

 

 

 

21

Subir Das

 

 

N

 

 

22

Apurva Mody

 

 

N

 

 

24

Tim Godfrey

 

Y

 

 

 

PrivECSG

Juan-Carlos Zuniga

NV

 

 

 

 

ME

Geoffrey Thompson

NV

 

 

 

 

Totals

20

4

6

4

1

5

Role

Meaning

 

 

 

 

 

VC

Vice Chair

 

 

 

 

 

TR

Treasurer

 

 

 

 

 

RS

Recording Secretary

 

 

 

 

 

ES

Executive Secretary

 

 

 

 

 

<n>

WG <n> Chair

 

 

 

 

 

PrivECSG

Privacy EC SG

 

 

 

 

 

ME

Member Emeritus

 

 

 

 

 

 

Results analysis

 

 

 

 

 

 

Return %:

68.75

 

 

 

 

 

Approve %:

60.00

 

 

 

 

 

As this motion requires 2/3 approval (as a communication with the FCC),  the motion

fails.  I’m not sure if a modified motion making the document more clearly specific to

802.11 will be brought in the next meeting as the deadline for comments will have

expired.

 

 

Best Regards,

 

Adrian P STEPHENS

 

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From: Stephens, Adrian P
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 4:37 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: +++ 10-day EC Email Ballot +++ EC motion on 802.11 response to FCC docket 15-47

 

Dear 802 EC,

 

Whereas IEEE 802.11 has approved (In the WG: Y:47 N:0 A:2) the following motion: “To approve document 11-15/683r2 as our comments in FCC 15-47, and forward to the IEEE 802 EC, for approval and transmittal to the FCC.”

 

Move that EC approves transmission of document 11-15/683r2 (https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/15/11-15-0683-02-0reg-comments-in-fcc-15-47.docx) to the FCC as a letter in response to FCC docket 15-47, granting the LMSC Chair editorial license.

 

 

Moved:   Stephens

Seconded: Rosdahl

 

Start of ballot: 2015-06-04

Close of ballot: 2015-06-14, 23:59 UTC-12

 

Early close: As required in subclause 4.1.2 'Voting rules' of the IEEE 802 LAN/MAN Standards Committee (LMSC) Operations Manual, this is notice that, to ensure the release is provided in a timely manner, this ballot may close early once sufficient responses are received to clearly decide a matter.      

Sufficient responses to clearly decide this matter will be based on the required majority for a motion under subclause 7.1.1 'Actions requiring approval by a majority vote' item (h), 'Other motions brought to the floor by members (when deemed in order by the Sponsor Chair)' of the IEEE 802 LAN/MAN Standards Committee (LMSC) Policies and Procedures.

 

 

Background information and rationale on specific form of motion

 

1.       The motion made at the EC telecon on 2015-06-02 was modified from the motion made in 802.11,  by the addition of a sentence intended to clarify possible future intentions.  The sentence was suggested by the 802.11 REG SC chair,  based on discussion he had with various parties after approval of the WG motion.  Time ran out on the telecon.

2.       There was an email thread on the EC reflector,  abstracted as below…

a.        Apurva: “It would be better if IEEE 802 provides constructive suggestions to the FCC

b.      Roger: “I propose to add the following at the end of the introductory "COMMENTS OF IEEE 802" paragraph?     "Other standards developed under IEEE 802 may be more suitable for adaptation and use under CBRS rules."”

c.       Ben: “I do not think Roger's addition addresses Apurva's concern, which is that the message lacks a positive suggestion. … I would advocate rewording so it is clear the concerns from 802 are not uniquely 802.11 WG's concerns.”

 

I have given some thought to the role of the EC in communications from a WG concerning that WG to an external body.   The LMSC rules require that such communications pass through EC for motion at 2/3 approval.   The LMSC rules do not limit what the EC can do with that document.

 

But, I believe we should limit what the EC attempts to do with such a document.  IMHO,  it should limit its actions to editorial corrections and clarifications.   If it fails to approve a document,  then comments on its substantive comment could be sent back to the WG,  so that the WG can adjust the document,  and send it back for approval.  Recent experience with the DSRC report confirms to me that this is the way we should handle such matters.

 

I believe that attempting to modify the substantive (i.e., non-editorial) content in the EC perilously moves its role away from keeper of the process into technical judge and jury.

 

Given these beliefs and the history recited above, I have moved the original motion as approved by 802.11.  If the motion is defeated,  I will collect comments to be sent to 802.11 for consideration in a subsequent attempt to communicate with the FCC.

 

Also,  I would like to see the Chair’s Guidelines provide clarification to bound and streamline this process in future.  But that is another debate.

 

On the specific changes requested,  I think both the changes proposed are essentially harmless.  But I think both are out of scope (i.e., not relevant) in a response originated by the 802.11 WG specific to WLAN,  which is the scope of this communication.

 

Notwithstanding the above discussion,  I did modify the motion from that presented to the WG, to add the “, granting the LMSC Chair editorial license”.   I believe this should always be present,  because I wouldn’t want to insist the LMSC Chair sent an uncorrected liaison where he,  e.g.,  spots a speeling misteak at the last moment.

 

 

Best Regards,

 

Adrian P STEPHENS

 

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