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Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBF] 11bf-CC40-Trigger-comments-assignment



Thanks Dongguk,

 

I might be wrong but I thought we could use 11az as baseline for 11bf as we’re still discussing to use Ranging NDPA and NDP format for instance  (Claudio can keep me honest on this?) and if not then it makes sense to introduce a new section. As you can imagine a lot of the texts are redundant.

 

Regards,

Ali  

 

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Subject: RE: 11bf-CC40-Trigger-comments-assignment

 

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Hi Ali,

 

Thanks for your comments.

 

I added my response inline below. Please find it and I hope it will be helpful to solve your comments. Thanks,

 

BR,

Dongguk.

 

From: Ali Raissinia [mailto:alirezar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2022 2:19 AM
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Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBF] 11bf-CC40-Trigger-comments-assignment

 

I tend to agree with Dibakar that we should integrate Sensing into the ranging text so that we don’t miss any of the exiting signaling/behavior. Alternatively, if you choose to take your approach of creating a new subclause for sensing, my suggestion is to include all the other signaling/behavior (more bit, MBSSID TA, HE-LTF Rep, etc.) as an Editor note (Do we need to include this?) so that we can debate & agree before merging it in.

[Dongguk Lim] As I mentioned to Dibakar, I think that it is not a good way to merge the things for the sensing Trigger frame to the ranging trigger frame described in the 11az because we define the sensing Trigger frame variant. even though it is indicated by using the equal value of trigger type subfield, it is a different trigger frame. Again, since the based drafts for 11bf do not include the 11az, I think first we have to describe the sensing Trigger frame regardless of overlapping with 11az spec. regarding some fields, I agree with your opinion that we should include some fields where, that can be used differently in 11bf, however, since we dont have any discussion for that, I think that after the discussion and making a decision, we can simply add those fields in the sensing trigger frame.

I would think integrating the two would be much easier in terms of new text and figures/diagrams.

 

We would probably Trigger Sound R2R and perhaps what Mengshi suggested, Trigger CSI-threshold Report as new subvariants.

[Dongguk Lim] I agree that we can define the new sub-variant for the specific process or operation and a related sub-variant will be added simply by using the reserved value if we define the new subvariant.

 

Regards,

Ali

 

 

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Hi Dongguk,

 

Thanks for sharing the document. Few comments:

  1. “Figure 9-xxx - Trigger Dependent Common Info subfield for the Sensing Trigger variant” is actually shared by both Ranging and Sensing Trigger frames. As such the figure title and associated text should reflect that.
  2. The format of the Poll TF::User Info seems to be same as Ranging TF-Poll. If so, may be simpler to just say, the format is defined in Fig-xx (reference to Ranging TF Poll:User Info) and not repeat the associated text.
  3. Do we need to signal Measurement ID anywhere in the TFs ?
  4. Not all the bits in B12-B25 are reserved in 11az TF-sounding. Not sure why we need to change this for sensing.

 

Regards,

Dibakar

 

 

 

Dear TTT members,

 

I would like to share the CR document for the resolution of CIDs related to the Tigger topic.

Attached please find and take look at it.

Your comments and questions will be appreciated. Thanks,

 

Best regards,

Dongguk.

 

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Subject: RE: 11bf-CC40-Trigger-comments-assignment

 

 

Dear TTT members,

 

Thanks for your interest in the topic Trigger

After requesting CIDs related to Trigger, Two CIDs (129, 561 ) were reassigned from Threshold to Trigger

Please check it in the DCN820r3. and since I didn't receive any request for CIDs, so, as I mentioned in the previous email, to resolve those CIDs and to discuss the sensing Trigger frame, all CIDs were assigned to me.

Therefore, I will prepare the initial document for that and if the drafting is finished, I will share it with you first.

Thanks,

 

Best regards,

Dongguk.

 

From: Dongguk Lim [mailto:dongguk.lim@xxxxxxx]
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Subject: 11bf-CC40-Trigger-comments-assignment

 

 

Dear All.

 

I am sending out this email to call for volunteers for comment resolution for Topic Trigger as described in DCN820r1.

 

Currently, 14 comments are submitted and all comments mentioned that the Sensing trigger frame should be defined.

 

So, for the consistent resolution of the above CIDs, I would like to make an initial resolution document to resolve all CIDs.

 

If you have a different opinion and if you would like to volunteer to resolve the CID, please let me know..

 

Thanks a lot and should you have any questions, please feel free to ask.

 

 

Best regards,

Dongguk.

 

 

 

 

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LG Electronics Inc

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