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Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBP] [EXT] [STDS-802-11-TGBP] SFD SP request



Hi Bo,

 

Please add the following SFD SPs in the list:

  • Do you agree to add the following to 11bp SFD?
    • For delayed responses of mono-static backscattering, the AMP non-AP STA shall start the transmission of response UL PPDU within [T3*0.9 - 1us, T3*1.1 + 1us]
    • Note: T3 is nominal response time, the name is TBD
    • Note: delayed responses have >16us response time
  • Supporting doc: 11-26/600r0

 

  • Do you agree to add the following to 11bp SFD?
    • For mono-static backscattering commands with immediate response or no response, the AMP AP shall set the duration of BST excitation subfield to be (T1*1.2 + T4 *1.1)
      • Note: immediate response refers to the nominal response time of 16us
      • Note: T1 = 16 us, is the nominal immediate response time
      • Note: T4 is the nominal backscattering UL PPDU duration
  • Supporting doc: 11-26/600r0

 

  • Do you agree to add the following to 11bp SFD?
    • For mono-static backscattering commands with delayed response, the AMP AP shall set the duration of BST excitation as

                                                T3*1.1+1 +T4*1.1 (in unit of micro-second)

      • Note: T3 is nominal response time of delayed response
      • Note: T4 is the nominal backscattering UL PPDU duration
      • Note: delayed response refers to the nominal response time larger than 16us
  • Supporting doc: 11-26/600r0

 

  • Do you agree to add the following to 11bp SFD?
    • The pseudo random phase rotation for WUP-Excitation subfield in 2.4GHz is up to AMP AP’s implementation

[Reference contributions]: 11-26/600r1

 

  • Do you agree to add the following to 11bp SFD?
    • The per-symbol pseudo random phase rotation for Data and BST-Excitation subfield in 2.4GHz should be generated using data scrambler LFSR defined in 17.3.5.5 (PHY DATA scrambler and descrambler) REVmf D2.0 with all 1s initial state
    • Note: the 127-bit sequence as in equation (17-25) in REVmf D2.0
  • [Reference contributions]: 11-26/600r0

 

  • Do you agree to add the following to 11bp SFD?
    • The U-SIG of AMP DL PPDUs are defined as in the table below
    • [Reference contributions]: 11-26/582r1
    •  

Category

Subfield

Bits

Description

U-SIG-1

Version identifier

3

PPDU BW

3

UL/DL

1

BSS color

6

TXOP

7

AMP Version

1

0: AMP; 1: Validate

AMP Mode

2

0: MSB; 1: BSB;

 2: non-BS; 3: Validate

Mode dependent Bits – Part 1

3

The definition of the bits depends on the AMP Mode bits setting

U-SIG-2

PPDU type & Compression Mode

2

Mode dependent Bits – Part 2

14

The definition of the bits depends on the AMP Mode bits setting

CRC in U-SIG

4

Tail in U-SIG

6

Total # of Bits in U-SIG

52

 

  • Do you agree to add the following to 11bp SFD?
    • The U-SIG of AMP DL PPDUs for mono-static backscattering is defined as
      • Note: when AMP Mode bits indicate MS-BST
    • [Reference contributions]: 11-26/582r1, 11-26/0091r0, 11-25/2070r2

 

Category

Subfield

AMP

Description

U-SIG-1

Version identifier

3

PPDU BW

3

UL/DL

1

BSS color

6

TXOP

7

AMP Version

1

0: AMP; 1: Validate

AMP Mode

2

0: MSB; 1: BSB;

 2: non-BS; 3: Validate

Multi-TXOP

1

0: no more TXOP;

1: more TXOPs

Session ID

2

Session ID 1 to 3

U-SIG-2

PPDU type & Compression Mode

2

Partial STAID

12

12 LSB of STAID

Disregard

2

CRC in U-SIG

4

Tail in U-SIG

6

Total # of Bits in U-SIG

52

 

 

Thanks,

Rui

 

From: Alice Jialing Li Chen <jialing.li.phd2@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2026 6:12 PM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBP@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [EXT] [STDS-802-11-TGBP] SFD SP request

 

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Hi Bo,

In 11-25/1692r21 slide 80, could you please change my deferred SP to the following? It's better to run it after the first SP of 11-26/582r0 if it is queued.

  • SP: Do you agree to add the following to the 802.11bp SFD?
    • In the U-SIG field in DL AMP PPDUs, if the AMP Mode indicates bistatic backscatter communication, the U-SIG field includes the following mode dependent contents:
      • Uplink channel for bistatic backscatter communication (1 bit)
        • Set to 0 to indicate the lower 20MHz channel relative to downlink
        • Set to 1 to indicate the upper 20MHz channel relative to downlink
      • Bistatic Exciter transmission flag (1 bit)
        • Set to 0 to indicate the PPDU is transmitted by an AMP AP
        • Set to 1 to indicate the PPDU is transmitted by a bistatic exciter
      • Bistatic Exciter Identification (TBD bits)
      • Reserved bits (at least 2 bits, 1 Validate, 1 Disregard)

[Reference contributions: 11-26/0091r0, 11-25/2070r2]


Could you please add the following SP to the queue?

  • SP: Do you agree to add the following to the 802.11bp SFD:
    • In the data field of AMP UL active transmission in 2.4 GHz, 4Mbps data rate only uses 0.125us chip duration, Manchester encoding and OOK modulation

[Reference contributions: 11-26/0615r0]

Regards,
Alice
Qualcomm


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