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Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBQ] Fwd: [STDS-802-11-TGBQ] TGbq: call for contributions/straw polls in the 2025 November plenary

Bilal,

I had the opportunity of discussing this motion with other participants here in Bangkok this week, and I believe that the current text is the one that will receive more support from the group.
We're still in the early days of defining SFD, and changes will happen as we progress.
As I've stated before, I'll be glad to discuss this and any other topic with you offline before our next meeting.
Best,

Claudio

On Wed, Nov 12, 2025 at 11:56 AM Bilal Sadiq <bilal.sadiq@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Claudio,

 

My technical concern is: your motion/SP statement conflates beam establishment with link establishment. I deferred an SP with very similar statement, presented in Sep F2F, to allow time for discussion. So I’m a bit surprised to see your SP rushed without any discussion.

Your current SP/motion: At least one beam establishment procedure that allows STAs to determine the antenna settings necessary to establish a mmWave link.

 

Beam establishment procedure can clearly be used after link establishment, to establish or discover further beams. Please consider following text for clarity:

 

  1. At least one beam establishment procedure that allows STAs to determine the antenna settings necessary to establish a mmWave beam link.

OR,

  1. At least one beam establishment procedure that allows STAs to determine the antenna settings necessary to establish for  a mmWave link.

 

Thanks,

Bilal

 

From: Claudio da Silva <wifi.phy@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2025 9:54 PM
To: Bilal Sadiq <bilal.sadiq@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: STDS-802-11-TGBQ@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBQ] Fwd: [STDS-802-11-TGBQ] TGbq: call for contributions/straw polls in the 2025 November plenary

 

Bilal,

 

Thanks for the feedback. Looks like we're talking about different functionalities.

I prefer to keep my text the same (and cover beam establishment), and let a different contribution, possibly by you, to cover other potential beam training functions like "beam discovery".

One point I would like to make though is that beam establishment may allow the receiver to feedback more than one configuration - it depends on how we define its feedback. Since this is out of scope of my presentation, I prefer to not get into this in my SPs. We need a contribution and discussion.

As I've stated before, I'd be happy to have offline discussions with you.

All the best,

 

Claudio

 

On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 7:32 PM Bilal Sadiq <bilal.sadiq@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Claudio, all,

 

I’d like to clarify the terminology: beam establishment procedure … to establish a mmWave link

 

The procedure can clearly be used after beam establishment also, to discover new emerging beam, e.g., in a broadcast manner for all mSTAs or multicast manner. So shouldn’t it be called:

 

At least one beam discovery procedure that allows STAs to discover one or more beams for a mmWave link

 

Th normative procedure is beam discovery, whereas initial link establishment is just one use of the procedure you’re proposing.

 

Thanks,

Bilal

 

 

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Hi Edward,

 

Could you please add the following passed SPs to the motions list?

 

Move to add the following to the 11bq SFD:  

“The 11bq amendment defines:

-          At least one beam establishment procedure that allows STAs to determine the antenna settings necessary to establish a mmWave link.

-          At least one beam tracking procedure that allows two STAs to optimize antenna settings for an existing mmWave link.

-          Note: The specific procedures for beam establishment and beam tracking are TBD.”

SP Result: 76/21/13

 

Move to add the following to the 11bq SFD:  

“Feedback resulting from the beam tracking procedure may be sent over the mmWave link.”

SP Result: 94/9/31

 

Thank you,

 

Claudio

 

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