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Re: [STDS-802-11] [WUR SG] Call for presentation



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Resending with correction in below …

 

From: *** IEEE stds-802-11 List *** [mailto:STDS-802-11@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Azizi, Shahrnaz
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 6:02 AM
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Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11] [WUR SG] Call for presentation

 

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Thanks Mark for your comments.

The straw poll to approve revision 9 of the document was passed in SG, and the motion to submit this document to EC was passed in mid-week Plenary. Sorry, at this point, we cannot  incorporate your changes.

 

Revision 6 and 9 have track changes enabled. So, you should be able to see all the changes.

 

Regarding your question on legacy coexistence, the intend is (a) which seemed clear to the people who were present in the room.  

 

Regards,

Shahrnaz

 

From: Mark Rison [mailto:m.rison@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 4:00 AM
To: Azizi, Shahrnaz <shahrnaz.azizi@xxxxxxxxx>; STDS-802-11@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [STDS-802-11] [WUR SG] Call for presentation

 

Hello,

 

Are all the changes tracked?  It seems not, since no changes are

shown in 5.2.b.  Could you provide the list of changes, please?

 

I have an observation and a question on the tracked changes:

 

> The WUR, used as a companion radio to the primary connectivity radio in the same band, coexist with legacy IEEE 802.11 devices and has an active receiver power consumption of less than one milliwatt.

 

The observation is that "coexist" should be "coexists", since

the subject is "WUR", which is singular.

 

The question is how this sentence is to be interpreted.  Is it:

 

a) If the WUR is in the same band as the PCR, then it coexists

with legacy devices and consumes < 1 mW on rx

 

or

 

b) The WUR is in the same band as the PCR, coexists with legacy

devices and consumes < 1 mW on rx

 

I didn't think there had been agreement that the WUR necessarily has

to be in the same band as the PCR, so I guess it's not b).  But a)

is wrong because the WUR should coexists and be power-efficient in

any case.  So I suggest the following rewording:

 

The WUR is a companion radio to the primary connectivity radio.

The WUR coexists with legacy IEEE 802.11 devices and has an active receiver power consumption of less than one milliwatt.

 

I also have the following observations on 5.2.b:

 

> While this project focuses on the specification of the PHY and the MAC layers of the WUR operation, it is expected that minor changes to the IEEE 802.11 MAC layer may be needed, e.g. the introduction of a new capability element, etc.

 

"specification of […] the MAC layers of the WUR operation" will result

in "changes to the IEEE 802.11 MAC layer", since P802.11ba is an amendment

to 802.11.  So this needs to be changed to something like "minor changes

to the IEEE 802.11 MAC layer for the primary connectivity radio".

 

> The new amendment utilizes the existing privacy and encryption methods

 

Is that a given?  It's not immediately obvious to me that WUR will necessarily

use the existing mechanisms (4WH, CCMP/GCMP, etc.).  Maybe "where possible"

should be added?

 

And shouldn't this first sentence be a separate bullet to the rest (the stuff

about latency – actually the last bit about range should also have its own

bullet)?

 

Thanks,

 

Mark

 

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From: *** IEEE stds-802-11 List *** [mailto:STDS-802-11@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Azizi, Shahrnaz
Sent: 9 November 2016 11:50
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Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11] [WUR SG] Call for presentation

 

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Hi Jon, and all

Attached is the modified PAR proposal. It includes the resolutions which were agreed  during the Tuesday PM3 session, and in addition new modifications to section 5.2.b.

Please review section 5.2.b. Scope of the project and let me know if you have any comments.

Regards,

Shahrnaz

 

From: *** IEEE stds-802-11 List *** [mailto:STDS-802-11@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jon Rosdahl
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 11:40 AM
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Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11] [WUR SG] Call for presentation

 

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Minyoung,

   I would like to add feedback from the 802.11 PAR Review SC to your agenda. 11-16/1326r1:
https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/16/11-16-1326-01-0PAR-par-review-meeting-agenda-and-comment-slides-san-antonio-2016.pptx

I am going to be late to PM1, but will arrive shortly.

The feedback on your PAR can be taken together with the other feedback you may receive from the other 802 sources.

Regards,

Jon Rosdahl

802.11 PAR Review SC Chair


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On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Park, Minyoung <minyoung.park@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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Dear all,

 

The following is the list of presentations I have received so far:

1.       11-16/1379, “On error rate performance of OOK in AWGN” Simon Qu (Blackberry), 20min

2.       11-16/1400r0, “Power Efficient WUR AP Discovery” Xiaofei Wang (InterDigital)

3.       11-16/1445 “Overall MAC Procedure for WUR” Kiseon Ryu (LG Electronics)

4.       11-16/1501, “AP Discovery using WUR,” Igor Kim (ETRI)

5.       11-16/1504, “Discussion of WUR Packets Design,” Ke Yao (ZTE)

6.       11-16/1506r0, “Coexistence Mechanism for Wakeup Radio Signal Follow-up,” Yongho Seok (NEWRACOM)

 

We will use Tuesday PM1 and Thursday AM2 time slots to review the presentations.

 

Regards,

Minyoung

 

From: *** IEEE stds-802-11 List *** [mailto:STDS-802-11@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Park, Minyoung
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 4:31 PM
To: STDS-802-11@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [STDS-802-11] [WUR SG] Call for presentation

 

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Dear 802.11 members,

 

Please let me know if you plan to have a presentation in the November plenary meeting at San Antonio. WUR SG has been allocated four time slots in the session and the Tuesday EVE and Wednesday AM1 slots will be used to review/resolve comments from other WGs and EC but I’m expecting we may have some time for presentations on Tuesday PM1 and Thursday AM2 slots.

 

Regards,

Minyoung

 

Intel Labs | Intel Corporation

 

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