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Re: [802.3_ISAAC] May meeting minutes

Kamal,

For items #1 to #3:
I agree with your comment in principle and the minutes should likely read "proposed drafts" or "draft text associated with the proposals" and not "drafts".  During the July plenary we will have an opportunity to make this change and any other modifications the TF deems necessary.

For items #4 and #5:
Please reach out to IEEE SA IPR staff concerning this topic. (stds-copyright@xxxxxxxx)

Cheers

Jon Lewis | Chair - IEEE P802.3dm Asymmetrical Electrical Automotive Ethernet Task Force

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From: Kamal Dalmia <kamal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Dear all,

I have some questions and comments related to the draft of the May minutes that are posted on the 802.3dm site for review.

https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ieee802.org/3/dm/public/0525/Unconfirmed_minutes_3dm_051425.pdf__;!!LpKI!hTsgQXgsjZvI4zxF7SgpBLDv6b9vxUY_Ar3DS5ztXUucQfQfhi7-6yv-OhwAkmD2pHSWEYPZU45HHNc$ [ieee802[.]org]

Currently, the minutes states the following -

"A participant asked about the process for maintaining two drafts. The chair responded that he wanted to move the drafts forward by consensus within their support groups, rather than formal motions. He outlined a process he intended to create to facilitate exchange of comments on the proposed text for each draft, in the process of building consensus."

 #1 - This statement gives an impresseion that there is more than 1 draft in existence, or there is an intent to have more than 1 draft at a given point in time. As far as I know, 802.3dm project currently has only one active draft. There are two "proposals" but not two "drafts".  What other draft is this referring to?

#2 - How does the chair intend to "move the drafts forward by consensus within their support groups, rather than formal motions"?
My understanding is that a "draft" can only be created by voting on technical items which require 75% approval.
What is the process of creating drafts without "formal motions"?

#3 - Regarding the sentence that states - "He outlined a process he intended to create to facilitate exchange of comments on the proposed text for each draft, in the process of building consensus."
What is the process this sentence is referring to? The minutes do not have any details. The sentence after this particular statement is related to adjournment of the meeting.

Furthermore:

#4 - The minutes contain a trademark on page 6. The trademark is in the very section where it is stated that the trademark was removed due to the objection. Also, the inclusion does not denote the trademark with TM and does not identity the owner of the trademark.

#5 - Contains several instances of a modified form of a trademark, while outlining how the modification has been derived i.e. "Trademarked term + Ethernet"
Does the inclusion of the modified form of a trademark meet the guidelines posted below?
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://standards.ieee.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/trademark-guidelines-for-contributions.pdf__;!!LpKI!hTsgQXgsjZvI4zxF7SgpBLDv6b9vxUY_Ar3DS5ztXUucQfQfhi7-6yv-OhwAkmD2pHSWEYPZJqNfgdk$ [standards[.]ieee[.]org]  If not, should all such instances be redacted?

Regards
Kamal


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