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Re: [802.3_SPMD] Proposed Replacement Text, 802.3da Objective 6



Wayne –

The objectives are not for ‘end users’.  They don’t get published in the standard anymore.  They are the Task Force’s advertisement to (and, as Geoff would say, contract with) the 802.3 working group telling them what the Task Force is supposed to be doing.  Knowing what we are trying to achieve aids the reviewers in the working group who are not in the task force to better review our document and see if we did what we said we were trying to do.  As such, objectives are not specifications, but are an explanation of what we intend to do in the specifications, and sometimes with a little guidance on the form that is expected to take.

 

As I said before, by the strict rules, you don’t NEED ANY objectives, and usually I go by the maxim that less is more.  Therefore, I look at each objective relative to what it says to the members of 802.3 – as setting context for the draft – not as the machinery for writing a specifciation.  Whether you need a particular objective or not is therefore a judgement call.  Ultimately one that the voting membership of 802.3 makes.

 

In this case, as we are removing any mention of how we connect into the mixing segment, and we are introducing a new interface point, replacing  the ‘connector’ objective with a description of what we ARE doing seems like a good thing to do. 

You will note I had slightly different wording than Bob, but I think in principle something is needed here.

 

From: Wayne Larsen <wayne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2023 8:43 AM
To: STDS-802-3-SPMD@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [802.3_SPMD] Proposed Replacement Text, 802.3da Objective 6

 

 

 

Hi Bob,

 

Are you afraid we will specify the connector in such a way as to preclude meeting the communications and powering objectives?  Or that we need to advise end-users on what kind of connectors to use to assure this?  I’m trying to understand the need for this objective.  I think the need for overall system performance, and objectives to do that, can justify whatever specifications are needed to do that.

 

Wayne

 

 

 

 

 

From: Bob Voss <Bob.Voss@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2023 6:14 AM
To: Wayne Larsen <wayne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; STDS-802-3-SPMD@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Bob Voss <Bob.Voss@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Proposed Replacement Text, 802.3da Objective 6

 

Ah, I see your point, Wayne. However, when 802.3da goes to SA ballot, the sharp-eyed folks are going to spot that we have added physical and electrical characteristics for these connections. As Geoff Thompson pointed out in our most recent ad hoc, there will be a problem if there is not an objective driving that inclusion. Mindful of the fact that Geoff has been doing this work a lot longer than me, I believe we need such an objective but realize that my wording may need refinement.

 

Bob

 

 

From: Wayne Larsen <wayne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Friday, June 16, 2023 at 6:05 AM
To: Bob Voss <Bob.Voss@xxxxxxxxxxx>, STDS-802-3-SPMD@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <STDS-802-3-SPMD@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Proposed Replacement Text, 802.3da Objective 6

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Sorry for the slows, Bob. My reflector subscription only comes to this e-mail, which I don’t check as often/

 

What I mean is, since we already have an objective to meet the communication and powering objectives, we don’t need an objective to specify the connector in such a way as to meet the communications and powering objectives.

 

Wayne

 

 

 

 

 

From: Bob Voss <Bob.Voss@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2023 2:36 PM
To: Wayne Larsen <wayne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; STDS-802-3-SPMD@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Bob Voss <Bob.Voss@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Proposed Replacement Text, 802.3da Objective 6

 

Thank you, Wayne. How would you change this objective to make it more effective?

 

Regards,

Bob

 

From: Wayne Larsen <wayne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 2:27 PM
To: Bob Voss <Bob.Voss@xxxxxxxxxxx>, STDS-802-3-SPMD@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <STDS-802-3-SPMD@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Proposed Replacement Text, 802.3da Objective 6

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Bob That’s just an objective to achieve other objectives.

 

 

 

From: Bob Voss <Bob.Voss@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2023 10:46 AM
To: STDS-802-3-SPMD@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [802.3_SPMD] Proposed Replacement Text, 802.3da Objective 6

 

Including the proposed text might be helpful …

 

“Specify required electrical and mechanical characteristics for connection methods necessary to achieve communications and powering objectives.”

 

From: Bob Voss <Bob.Voss@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 10:45 AM
To: stds-802-3-spmd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <stds-802-3-spmd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Bob Voss <Bob.Voss@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Proposed Replacement Text, 802.3da Objective 6

Colleagues,

 

I had a flash of inspiration and would like to propose the following text to replace objective 6. Please comment and provide feedback via the reflector.

 

Thanks, and Best Regards,

 

Bob

 

Robert J. Voss

Distinguished Engineer

PANDUIT Corporate Research and Development

E = bob.voss@xxxxxxxxxxx

M = 219-384-6515

Schedule a meeting with Bob

 

 


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