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FW: [802.21] Agenda for September Meeting

Posting on behalf of Phil...

-----Original Message-----
From: Phillip Barber [] 
Subject: RE: [802.21] Agenda for September Meeting

Suman, Ajay, Peretz and all,

I would say a fair reading of 7.4b would be that the WG Chair Appoints the
SG Chair (as the WG Chair makes all appointments in a WG, for instance TG
and Ad-Hoc Chairs), and that the WG Members are expected to affirm the
Appointment through vote. Should the Chair's selected appointee not be
affirmed, then the Chair would have to re-select and another affirmation
vote would be taken.

Procedurally, if the Chair wants to devolve his appointment authority on
this matter, selectively this one time, and let the SG Members conduct an
election of the SG Chair, it seems to me he/she can probably can do that.
Remember, Chairs decide matters of procedure, including how that procedure
is conducted. And the EC is never going to fault a Chair for giving Members
the opportunity to vote on matters, especially if that is the right to elect
their own leadership.

That being said, the WG Members would still be expected to affirm any such
SG Chair election through vote. Should the SG elected, candidate Chair not
be affirmed, then either there would have to be another SG election and WG
affirmation until an elected candidate was affirmed, or the Chair could
revert to the normal method of appointment and affirmation, or the Chair
could devise some other compliant procedure to get a SG Chair, that included
WG affirmation.

This is my opinion on this procedural question.


-----Original Message-----
On Behalf Of Suman Sharma
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [802.21] Agenda for September Meeting

Please read the 802 LMSC P&P  section 7.4.2

7.4 Study Groups 
Study groups are formed when enough interest has been identified for a
particular area of study,
such as a new access method or modified use of an existing access method.
Two types of Study 
Groups are specified:
a) An Executive Committee Study Group (ECSG) is initiated by vote of the
Committee and the ECSG Chair is appointed and approved by the Executive
The ECSG Chair has the same responsibilities as a Working Group Chair as
specified in 
subclause but does not have Executive Committee voting rights.
b) A Working Group Study Group (WGSG) is initiated by vote of the Working
Group or 
TAG and approved by the Executive Committee. The WGSG Chair is appointed and
approved by the Working Group or TAG.
The Study Group shall have a defined task with specific output and a
specific time frame
established within which it is allowed to study the subject. It is expected
that the work effort to
develop a PAR will originate in an ECSG or WGSG. A Study Group shall report
recommendations, shall have a limited lifetime, and is chartered
session-to-session. A study
group is expected to submit a PAR to the EC for consideration within two
plenary sessions of
itıs initiation.  After the Study Group recommendations have been accepted
by the parent body,
the Study Group will be disbanded no later than the end of the next Plenary
The decision of whether to utilize an existing Working Group or TAG, or to
establish a new 
Working Group or TAG to carry out recommended work items shall be made by
the Executive 
Committee with due consideration of advice from the Study Group.
7.4.1 Study Group Operation
Progress of each Study Group shall be presented at Opening Plenary meetings
by the Working 
Group, TAG, or ECSG Chair. Study Groups may elect officers other than the
Chair, if necessary,
and will follow the general operating procedures for Working Groups
specified in subclauses and 7.2.4. Because of the limited time duration of a Study Group, no
letter ballots are 
7.4.2 Voting at Study Group Meetings
Any person attending a Study Group meeting may vote on all motions
(including recommending
approval of a PAR). A vote is carried by 75% of those present and voting
³Approve² or 


On 9/12/07 7:54 AM, "Ajay Rajkumar" <> wrote:

> I am a little surprised at the procedure that was mentioned to choose
> the SG Chair. If the SG is approved as a WGSG then how is it that anyone
> present for the SG could vote for a SG Chair. I would think that only
> the WG members are eligible for this vote.
> -ajay
> Gupta, Vivek G wrote:
>> I have placed a preliminary agenda for the September meeting on 802.21
>> web site.
>> 0-Session22_Hawaii_Agenda.doc
>> The Security Study Group will meet as follows:
>> Monday September 17 from 4-6 PM (PM2 slot)
>> Wednesday September 19 from 1-6 PM. (PM1 and PM2 slots, PM2 if required)
>> The Security SG Chair elections will take place on Monday at 4:00PM.
>> As previously mentioned we currently have three candidates for the Chair
>> position and all the Security SG participants will vote and elect the
>> Security SG Chair at this time.
>> As already mentioned by Behcet, the Multi-Radio Power Management
>> Conservation Study Group will meet on Tues and Thurs from 8-10 AM:
>> Best Regards
>> -Vivek