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Re: [802SEC] +++++++++ P&P Ballot Resolution Telecom Notice +++++++++++++


while I have no objection to continuing to persue P&P resolution
via teleconference I recognize the difficulty in scheduling around
all of the participants schedules and I hope we can find a reasonable
common time.

I would personally like to see 1 major change to the methodology.

When .17 has teleconference calls, we use Yahoo Messenger to
create a text conference room for all participants. This
allows the moderator or commenter to cut and paste their
proposed text for all to see. We are able to achieve
concensus on word smithing issues far quicker since people
can actually read the proposed text.

In the case of a poor bridge, IM also allows, a method for a participant
to object or request the floor. Some bridges I've been on
(with many participants) do not mix the signals well and tend
to give the "loudest" speaker the floor, drowning out other

Yahoo Messenger is free, and most (but not all) corporations
allow it to pass through their firewalls. All that is required
is that the moderator have all of the participants on his
contact list so that he/she can create the conference room and
add people as they arrive.



Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA) wrote:
> Dear EC members,
> First I want to thank all the participants in our first P&P Ballot
> Resolution meeting.  I feel it was very successful, and hope to continue
> with this format instead of the Sunday evening format used in the past.
> Accordingly I wish to make the following notice:
> As approved at the Friday November 19, 2004 EC meeting I intend to
> conduct ballot resolution on P&P revision ballots by telecom.  No ?in-
> person? ballot resolution meeting is planned for the Sunday before the
> next plenary.  So PLEASE participate in these telecoms.
> I currently intend to hold telecons at the following dates and times:
>             February 25, 2005 from 11:30 AM to 1:30 PM EST
>             March 11, 2005 from 11:30 AM to 1:30 PM EST
>             March 25, 2005 from 11:30 AM to 1:30 PM EST
> As required I am providing >  30 days notice for the telecom.  Ballot resolutions will be conducted
> on all pending LMSC P&P Revision ballots.  It is my hope that we will
> not need all 3 meetings to complete resolution on the ballots, but based
> on the time required in our first session, I feel I must assume 3
> additional sessions for the 3 ballots we have not conducted any
> resolution on yet.  No other topics are on the agenda for this meeting.
> WG/TAG chairs, please distribute this meeting notice to your groups.  If
> you have comments to be resolved and cannot make the telecom, please
> arrange for someone else to be present to express any concerns you may
> have and participate in comment resolution.
> The call in for the meeting will be:
>         1-888-804-4584
> PIN 6336344
> Thanks & Regards,
> Mat
> Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
> Senior Member Technical Staff
> Office: +1 973.633.6344
> email:
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Michael Takefman    
Distinguished Engineer,       Cisco Systems
Chair IEEE 802.17 Stds WG
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