Thread Links Date Links
Thread Prev Thread Next Thread Index Date Prev Date Next Date Index

Re: [802SEC] [STDS-802-3] Availability of IEEE P1905.1 Convergent Digital Home Network for Heterogeneous Technologies draft


Since I've been working with P1905.1 closely, I think I've got a reasonable understanding of their willingness to cooperate. 

What we have is a situation where A saw an action of B that it interpreted as hostile so A treats B as hostile. B sees those actions as hostile and treats A as hostile. A feedback loop is created where A and B treat each other with hostility. Each looks at the actions of the other and interprets them with the expectation that they are hostile seeing that even when it isn't there.  The more each side sees the other do the same the more the behavior is reinforced. We've seen this process more than once in the past. Continuing that behavior on both sides will not improve the situation. (I'm not making any assumptions on who is A and who is B in the current situation or on whether the initial action was really hostile or just interpreted that way - it doesn't matter.)

 I've been working to break that cycle and bring folks together for reasonable discussions instead of lobbing hostile messages and have had success in the areas I tackled.  Therefore, I suggest that we:

	Submit comments on anything that we see as broken (including 
	items that break interoperability with devices that implement 
	IEEE 802 standards). 

	Work with P1905.1 participants to help them understand our 
	concerns and develop mutually acceptable resolutions. 

I'm not suggesting that we submit out of scope comments to improve things that are okay but could be better, but if something is broken let's give P1905.1 a chance to fix it with our help. 

Diplomacy can work when a hammer doesn't. When approached on the basis above, P1905.1 has been reasonable. 

Best regards,

-----Original Message-----
From: Geoff Thompson [] 
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 2:19 PM
To: Pat Thaler
Cc: 802 EC; Steve Mills
Subject: Re: [802SEC] [STDS-802-3] Availability of IEEE P1905.1 Convergent Digital Home Network for Heterogeneous Technologies draft

If the next time we see a draft is when the recirculation ballot is opened
The scope of the recirculation is limited to the changes, etc.,
our only recourse is to:
- Give up
- Limit our criticism to the areas strictly within the scope of 
disapproves from a balloting group that lacked openness
- Try to force an additional recirculation of the scope that I 
recommended via RevCom & the SASB
- Submit our comments that are out of scope and just hope that a group 
that has been hostile to outside input will just roll over.
- Try to negotiate the ability to change a draft with the WG when 
they're ready to go to RevCom
(a position of considerable weakness on our part)
- Try to get SASB to turn it down altogether (fat chance)

This set of choices would seem to be bad for the future of a) their 
standard in terms of its chances for success or b) our standards should 
they succeed. Most likely it would be a combination of the two which 
would just confuse the market.

Perhaps the bluntness of my analysis does not aid your efforts "on 
improving the interaction" for that I beg your forgiveness for my lack 
of diplomatic language. That, however, is the situation as I see it from 
this distance.

Best regards,
Geoff Thompson

This email is sent from the 802 Executive Committee email reflector.  This list is maintained by Listserv.